What if someone made that flyer and put it on his windshield to show in the court how much humiliation is to drive a TDI, before he asks for his compensation :yikes:

The EU is a collection of push overs. I doubt they have the balls to cripple VAG. But we are also still trying to figure out what exactly happened. If it does come out as blatant cheating, it'll be bad, but not crippling bad.

No no, Seattle is the capital of Subaru driving Granolas sporting gay pride bumper stickers. Portland is just Hipsters and Hobos.

It is the German government that set the ultimatum, not the EU

VW has admitted what happened. There is third party corroboration from the supplier that developed the software and told VW not to use it on road vehicles. Do you think there is doubt about what happened, and whether it was or wasn't intentional cheating?

It has yet to be seen how it actually got into production vehicles as well as evidence for intent to deceive. It could have been that the upper management deiced to cheat, or the test software got implemented and overlooked/forgotten about, or a disgruntled employee(s) purposefully implemented it. We don't know exactly what happened as far as that goes yet. What we do know is that there has been a significant amount of drama in the higher ups for years.

All I am saying is that all the cards are not yet on the table.

That statement alone speaks volumes. Lots of electric car lobbyists all over the world nowadays.

VW should just cut a check for the difference of sticker between a TDI and a gas model of the same car for owners (I.E. if a Gas engine and samely equipped Golf is $22,500, but a TDI is an upcharge of $2,000, cut a check for $2,000) etc, for those who wish to keep driving their diesel after the fix is implemented.

Then for those who wish to keep them, the warranty on the the engine and emissions equipment (DPF's are spendy to replace) for 150k miles regardless of age.

For those who are so horribly wronged, offer them retail price on trade in towards a new purchase, or buy back.

Yes its going to cost a ton of money for VW but instead of letting the lawyers get billions, and the actual purchasers geting $48.06, it might be helpful for them to be proactive here.

As a TDI owner (Q5 Diesel) who isn't impacted (like the X5 I've got the more sophisticated AdBlue system) I'm still pissed at VW for not being innovative enough to create a solution that passes U.S. standards. On the flip side I'm also pissed at the EPA for their anti-Diesel regulations that make it basically nearly impossible to meet emissions on a low cost Diesel. I mean is a 50 MPG car spreading 10% (on average) more NOX than allowed REALLY worse for the environment than a 20 MPG car meeting NOX? I'm thinking no when you factor in the cost of fueling (and obtaining the fuel) for that 30 MPG difference. It's also interesting to me that the EPA pollutes a massive river by being negligent and you don't see nearly the same level of anger as you do here on their part. Just my 2 cents....

Unfortunately the real "losers" here are the TDI owners who paid a premium for a "clean diesel" and now find themselves with a vehicle attracting the social stigma of the Ford Pinto. They are the ones that VW needs to make it right with.

Great post, and I actually am surprised you are from SoCal and posting this. The river is something I have been saying for weeks, but that was an
"oops" moment.

But yes, agreed on many fronts with you, and as a 2.0 TDI owner, yes we are the real losers. We keep our cars for years and planned on keeping the '14 Sportwagen for at least 5-7 years when we purchased it in June, but I'm sure resale value is going to suffer.

I do plan on having the car tuned and keeping my emissions system intact after the "fix", which I'm sure is a software reflash from VW which will keep the car "neutered" a bit and in the dyno mode 100% of the time. The aftermarket tuners can bring the performance/mileage back, and will most likely be more fun to drive than it is now, after done.

Other TDI owners like you also suffer now, because its hard to change the stigma as most people are uneducated armchair consumers and voters who hear you say you have an Audi diesel and they accuse you of it being dirty, etc.

It isn't just other TDI owners. It will also be other diesel owners, more so the passenger vehicles than the pick up trucks.

You should start with the correct incremental emissions. The EPA said up to 40 times for NOx, not 10% more. I am sure it varies in the real world, so let's use 20 times just for a quick calculation.

Is a car getting 2.5 mpg really worse for the environment than a 50 mpg car? Most would agree it is, IMO. The thing is, people don't think about emissions, but are focussed on fuel efficiency. That is what led to VW implementing the cheat. If you think about 20 times factors though, and apply that to something that we all care about, fuel efficiency, it puts another light on it.

40x sounds like a big number, but what is the extent of that number? How does it factor into real world situations? Also, what is the trade off? Don't diesels emit less Co2 than gas cars, but higher NOx? Does the significantly better fuel efficiency (and everything that entails, from processing, to transport, to consumption) offset the higher NOx? Is 40x higher still cleaner than 10, 15, 20 years ago?

What is the BIG picture here? Everyone is just saying "omg NOx".