Sorry, can't agree all of us are always looking for intelligent etc. sources to be better informed. I don't think that is an inherent human trait. I think that is instilled by our experiences in life. It seems we have a natural resistance to change that gets out of our way when we begin looking for the best solutions and truths.

It is time consuming to determine what is the truth. It is easy to draw conclusions from those we admire or idolize rather than make the effort to find out if the sources are reputable.

Well, I see your point and it may not be an inherent human trait, but one that is taught to those interested and willing to learn. Most of us find comfort in routines and a set group of family, friends and co-workers and tend to form our opinions based on a collective discussion between those groups. But yes, it does take a willingness and effort and ultimately is time consuming to drill down to the truth. So I guess I am speaking for myself and others who like me, strive to try to form our opinions based on facts, honest truth, science and rational objective thinking. I understand and recognize that today in our country and internationally, not everyone is willing to do that. For many reasons, they are unable or unwilling to question the message or the source of information. They may be one or more of the following: uninterested, uneducated, naïve, gullible, intellectually lazy or just want to go along with whatever their friends, family, tribe believe. There is no other honest way to describe those who still refuse to get vaccinated against the COVID-19 virus.

On a related sidebar, is a post I made in the Political Forum Thread awhile back, about "Black and White Beliefs vs Shades of Gray", which you may find interesting and applicable to understanding general politically motivated divisions in groups in our divided country. Here is a link to that post:

https://xoutpost.com/off-topic/polit...ades-gray.html

Famous cop quit the Washington State police over his refusal to get vaccinated…. Signed off telling governor Insley to ‘kiss my ass’.

Invited on fox, Laura Ingraham lauded him as a celebrity…. He claimed he was fielding all kinds of offers. In November

In January…. he’s dead. Of Covid.

Laura Ingraham ran a piece tonight, acknowledging this tragedy. NOT. (Of course not…Fox will not acknowledge this ever.)

While it is fun to make jokes about the Herman Cain award, and whatnot- at a very basic human level this guy leaves behind a wife and 4 kids all because his information sources were feeding him lies. Same is true for people we see getting kicked off transplant lists for not vaccinating themselves- declaring the rather be dead than give up their freedom. Its a death cult, with fox driving the frenzy.

It is disgusting that Fox and others are exploiting people in a quest to polarize our society…just to create anger and strife. They are craven and cynical, it isnt about ‘freedom’ or ‘choice’…its about how to tear apart Americans. The Murdocks are doing this in every market their cancer has taken hold.


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I'm sure we can't find any instances of people who got vaccinated and died from Covid. :confused:

The media is terrible about this on both sides. Each taking a "holier than thou" stance.

I agree with you on your "basic human level" take. But will always believe in personal choice. People can make up their own minds. Just like putting on a seatbelt. I am glad my family was vaccinated (kids partially at least) when we got Covid as I'm hoping it contributed to the mild symptoms we experienced. Which is one of the reasons I share it here, as a data point for those who may still be deciding.

I am the last in the family to get over it and experienced mild cold symptoms for about 2 weeks. Loss of smell for 4-5 days at the tail end of recovery. Still have very slight cough and congestion. Kids had it worst, with high fevers and other flu symptoms, but recovered faster. The boy was over it in 4 days.

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Interesting observation and understandable feelings, which I share.
FYI, I do not know if you saw and read this, but here is a link to an Op-Ed piece from The New York Times that appeared on Jan. 30, 2022. It is titled:

How Do You Respond When an Anti-Vaxxer Dies of Covid?

by By James Martin
(Father Martin is a Jesuit priest and the author of “Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone.”)

Here is a link to that article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/o...smid=url-share

Here is a tidbit quote from that article:

"It’s not surprising then that when a prominent person who has refused to perform this act of love — particularly when that person has railed publicly against these health-saving measures — dies from Covid, some people are eager to say, “I told you so.” A few go further, mocking those who have died or even trolling their survivors.

This welter of strong feelings can be disorienting: We see someone resisting vaccines or masking (which frustrates us); thus endangering others (which angers us); perhaps even endangering ourselves (which frightens us); and then dying — which should sadden us but, some of us are horrified to discover, doesn’t. Feeling vindicated by someone’s death seems immoral, but it also seems reflexive. Human."

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874,000 US citizens have died from COVID. Just over 1800 are dying per day. All but a few percent are unvaccinated. At the current death rate, 600,000+ of the unvaccinated could die over the next year that could have been prevented. That is terribly sad.

I'm not surprised there are those of us that have lost emotional empathy. The risk now is if too many of us also lose cognitive empathy.

More people have died from covid19 since Biden became president than when Trump was president, and that's with the vaccine...

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Do you ever verify anything before you post it?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...-trump-1661528

Do you ever read and understand what you post?

According to YOUR link more people in the United States have died since Biden was elected than died under Trump. Let's not forget that full roll out of the vaccine was announced after the elections because as the drug companies said.... "we did not want to interfere in the elections" not to mention that your source is "Newsweek" and they are not known as an accurate or scientific publication.

Be sure follow Newsweek's gymnastics attempt just get a better outlook for Biden. (Not what a real journalist is supposed to do...)

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It's easy to see what one wants to see and be blind to it all. Good idea to read the entire article.

The source of the numbers is the CDC not Newsweek.

How do you explain starting the count for Biden almost two months before Biden was in office? Biden wasn't in office on Dec. 19th. He wasn't inaugurated until January 20th of 2021.

Below is from the same Newsweek article----
The inauguration of Biden marked the point at which his administration began implementing its own strategy to contain the virus.

Though some have argued that Biden's "real" count has to start two to three weeks later due to some cases being passed over from the previous administration, for the sake of simplicity we will choose January 20 as the dividing line.

On that day the cumulative U.S. COVID death count stood at 424,401, according to CDC data, meaning that fewer people have died under Biden—379,192 in total (up to December 19).