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Aimster 08-15-2006 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW X5
point is if iran is run by whacos the people put them there NO?
president of Israel and iran speaking together in farsi is very touching, and Jews in the US wave the American flag and Israeli flag as well that doesnt say much. iran is against the state of Israel, Israel the land of the Jews hence by distributive property iran is against Jews, it doesnt get rid of them because then there would be more outcries and yes they would be openly admiting being anti

The people of Iran didnt elect their leaders.

Iran is against Israel. Big whoopie. It does not mean they are against the Jews and want them dead. If you wish to believe that then believe it, but I can present to you videos of the President of Iran making speeches about how he wants Jews and Chrsitians to unite with Muslims to get rid of the zionist regime of Israel. That doesn't really seem like he hates Jews when he asks them to unite with Muslims.

Dont start this Israel is the land of the Jews propaganda. There is no such thing as land of the Jews. Being from a Jewish family I laugh at that. Israel has a right to exist because they are already there, but not because it is the land of their religion.

What about the Muslims and the Christians? The hell with them, right?

If you want to defend Israel come up with something better than it is their land because some religious book says so. That is exactly how wars start and have been started over that land in the past. A better excuse would be that they are already there and they have invested and improved on the land.

By the way the majority of the people inside Israel are Arab. Jewish Arabs do not call themselves Arab they call themselves Jewish. All the Jews in the Arab lands went to Israel when it was created. 500,000 of them came from Morocco.

BMW X5 08-15-2006 03:53 PM

let me rephrase that, its not the land of Jews its land period. The Jews have settled there and made a life there and are now being pushed out of there because they arent liked. Jews and Christians uniting very good idea get Jews against Jews, screw the whole zionist regime, they are Jews, thats like US asking arab nations to unite to find bin laden, i dont really think thats working too well, though i must admit pakistan is/was doing a great job of arresting alqueda. and you being from a Jewish family its a bit interesting that you have such a view. Have you ever been to Israel? Have you ever felt what its like to be hated because you are Jewish? maybe its a bit more close to home for me because i know what its like. Problem is Jews/Israelis dont go around blowing themselves up if you want to wage war aganist them at least they are organized

rebound 08-15-2006 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273
1989: Marines invade Panama and overthrow General Noriega's dictatorship and install new dictatorship

Ummm... thanks for the props, but it wasn't just Marines...

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Originally Posted by Eric5273
2001: US troops invade Afghanistan after a month-long bombing campaign

Yeah. There was nothing preceeding that little dust-up, was there?

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And that is not even counting all the covert operations such as the support for Al-Queda in Afghanistan during the 1980s...

That was an invasion? Helping them defeat Soviet invaders?

I don't have the time to double-check all of your post.

Eric, if these are an example of the "truth," I trust you'll understand why people don't agree with (or believe) you.

rebound 08-15-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Yes, and we just keep packing more and more people away in jails. In 1973, there were 7 prisons here in New York State. Today there are 73 prisons in New York State. And the population of New York has not grown since 1973. The rest of the country has seen a similar trend.

I take it you'd rather have them living next door?

BMW X5 08-15-2006 04:25 PM

well being that we have 73 prisons they might as well be living next door but some people just might not mind having a serial killer or rapist living close proximity

Aimster 08-15-2006 04:27 PM

BMW X5,

No I have never been to Israel.
I thought you lived in NYC? If you live in Israel I can understand your hate. That would make sense. I would not trust a single Muslim if I lived in Israel.

& I have been made fun of for being Jewish growing up. I have even been harrassed by the police after 9/11 because of the way I look.

zero 08-15-2006 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Zero....paraphrase much?

This thread wasn't started to condemn those responsible for terrorist atrocities. Wagner's initial post villified all Muslims, not just those responsible for terrorist acts. That's why my posts defend those that did not take part or support these attacks; from that, you've incorrectly inferred that I am also defending those that do.

Basic point was Bush saying "Islamic fascists" and some Counsil for American-Islamic Relations attacks the commentator.

And they shouldn't complain, because Muslims, in your view, were the ones "always blowing sh*t up"? In other words, it's okay to group Muslims together and villify them as a group?

Taking pleasure in the death of others is something you're proud of? That's not the earkmark of the peace-loving society that America is. Just out of curiosity, do you know any Muslims? What is your basis for hating 1 out of 6 people in the world?

As an aside, I noticed you've changed your hometown - somewhat childish, in my humble opinion.

And finally, its interesting that you've assumed I'm Muslim, because I'm not. I'm Hindu. Which is pretty much beside the point. My religious beliefs or non-beliefs are irrelevant to any argument I've made.


Personally I have more then a few friends who have come and gone and gone back to Iraq and Afghanistan. When you're getting shot at and your vehicle blown up by poon-tangs that hide in houses, you let me know if you aren't happy when you finally get them. You know, after you watch your friends intestines spill out in a troop carrier.[/quote]

Is hating Muslims as a result of that an understandable emotional response? Sure. Is it a valid, rational response? No.

Eric5273 08-15-2006 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tijanaw
FYI, France doesn't have "very high muslim Not Arab population", anywhere bet 3 and 4 millions and most of them ARE actually Arabs from the Maghreb.

Most of the French muslim population is from Algeria.

zero 08-15-2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DINANM3
I just wanna add that my cousin married a Jordanian guy. He is actually Christiona though and that is hy he came here since muslims treeat him like shit and say he is a traiter to his country. Muslims link religion to govt. and that is the problem. You cant be from the middle east and not muslim according to them or your a traiter and should be killed. Also the way they look at it is that it is Muslims agaist the rest of the world for the only reason that the rest of the world isnt muslim. You dont have to do something bad to them for them to hate you. they just hate you because you are not muslim. To them there mission is either to convert you to be muslim or kill you.
this is what ive learned from my new cousin. He actually hates muslims all muslims. He has read the Coran. "I think i spelled that wrong but who cares. from cover to cover" froom cover to cover. And he said they are fucking crazy and the only way to beat them and creat peace is to kill them. they are the root to every problem we currently have. There religion tells them life is worthless and your real life is after you die and if your a good muslim you will get something like 50 virgins and little boys when you die and swim in rivers of honey and shit like that. And they have like 100 wives whom they treat like garbage. My cousin also said the prophet mohammad was a petiphile. He used to have sex with little boys. He told me alo more. But i was shock when i heard this shit. Mind you My cousin is a doctor and extremely well educated. I believe hime. He was born in the middle east and lived there until he was 25 years old. So he knows alot more about it than you and I so i really believe what he has to say. Just to let you know im just telling everyone whay my middleastern cousin told me these are not my opinions so dont get pist at me for this thread. I just wanted to give everyone an opinion of someone who is actually from that part of the world who is not muslim.

If you want to have such strong views about something, why not research it yourself? I'm not even saying you'd end up with a view that agrees with mine. But to possess such hatred just because someone else tells you to speaks to a mindless herd mentality.

BMW X5 08-15-2006 04:38 PM

i do live in NYC, and I've been to Israel, I grew up in Ukraine and i had to protect the fact that i was Jewish, no Synagogue no holiday celebration, couldnt even speak of certain foods. had relatives whose houses were broken into and who were harrased for being Jewish, and after having been to Israel i can say its the only place on earth where you can walk down the street and not worry about someone calling you a dirty Jew or other deragotory (spelling) statements. It is a beautiful country one that is buzzing like the major metropolises (spelling) and yet they had missiles launched into places like Tzfat which is as harmless as any, or into Haifa and the point wasnt to destroy military it was to do as much damage and kill as many people as possible. I've been teased all my life for being a redhead, and though i cant say i've been harrassed by the cops i'm well aware of what that could be like. My moms best friend lives just outside of Haifa and they had to flee their home, when i was there i had to go through a metal detector to get to an outdoor market area, is that normal living conditions? we had an armed guard with us at all time is that normal? and its not because of france or London or Sweden or Canada or USA its because of the threat from iran which said as i posted in that article that they will level Israel if need be, and because of syria and because of iraq which has its own issues and because of hezobla and lebanon and hamas and palestine, would that be tolerated in this country? i think not


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