No. The point is that we have so many criminals, more than any other country in the world. Our society produces crime, violence, and war. To say we are "peace-loving" is a joke.

once again where is the violence coming from? back to the few month old debate over mexicans coming to the States, stop the flow of violence and it will stop. stop letting in everyone and it will stop:mad:

Just so I am clear on your position, are you saying that if a country harbors a criminal or terrorist and refuses to turn them over, then the other country is justified to bomb them?

And also, does this rule apply to all countries, or only to the United States and Israel?

In the case of all the wars, it is coming from our govenrment's foreign policy.

Sorry for dropping the ball on my end of the discussion. Had a busy weekend.

We certainly aren't the most peaceful nation in the world - I agree. But peace is something we value as a nation, and you'll find that most of the times we've gone to war (including our current wars in Iraq and Afhganistan), peace has been at least one of the major rationale's, whether validly or not. On some level, the concept of peace appeals to our nation. The views offered by some here (and if I remember correctly, I was referring to Lambeau, I think) would lead one to believe that our society doesn't value peace on at least a superficial level.

thank you, but not in the way you are probably thinking about it with the fact that we stick our nose where it dont belong. but more from the fact that we allow everyone to come in. as for your other post regarding harboring criminals lets go back to what i've already said: if you are harboring a fugitive does the FBI have the right to come to your house and knock your door down and take the fugitive and search your house? yes absolutely it does. we do not harbor criminals nor does Israel, pakistan is doing a good job surprisingly of capturing terrorists, have we or anyone else invaded them? noooo afghanistan well thats just a desert waiting to be made into a parking lot, iran well hopefully the UN which is useless will deal with them, syria and the likes they are just keeping very quiet to avoid being dragged into it. and to be clear on criminals hezbola isnt a criminal its a war driven group, if US had neonazis occupying a state and the US wouldnt want to give them up and they would be shooting rockets at you then yes whoever would want them would be more than justified to come and bomb the shit out of wherever they lived. if that happened to be NYC or LA or any other place yes because if the government doesnt think about its people and the people put the government in power and they dont take warning that if they dont give them up they will suffer then yes they deserve this. luckily for us that isnt the case and luckily for Israel that isnt the case either.

Such is the case for almost every war in the history of the world.

Even Hitler justified his wars in this way.

Famous quote:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

I'd be interested to see per capita. I know we have a lot. We also have a lot of people. I'll see if I can pull up some data.

What frightend me is that I think you believe this.

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Did I not just post about an hour ago the details of 2 terrorists which the United States is harboring: Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada

Both are wanted in numerous Latin American countries for blowing up airliners and numerous other bombings of civilian targets. They are currently both living in Miami.

And what about Ilyas Akhmadov? He is a well-known Chechen terrorist leader who is wanted by the Russian government for his involvement in various bombings and attacks. He is currently living in the United States.

And there are others:

Virgilio Paz
Jose Dionisio Suarez
Michael Townley

All are wanted by one or more countries for involvement in one or more terrorist attacks, and all are currently living in the United States and have been granted asylum.