Originally Posted by gresch

that's like saying "i'm against rape". no kidding everyone wants those things, HOW would the democrats do it differently? THAT'S the point.


(and btw- i can tell you how, they'll raise everyone's taxes, hand out checks to everyone without a job, give every woman in the country a "1 free abortion" card and make all guns illegal. thanks but i'll stick to republicans)

Originally Posted by drex

regarding north korea, you ALL should read up on madeleine albright and clinton's foreign policy regarding north korea....

or let me sum it up for you:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashma.htm

Originally Posted by BMW X5

hitler had some very powerful ideas and people who were willing to follow him since they believed him much luck osama unfortunately there you had a people here you have 1billion lunatics, they are not in armies they do not wear uniforms they can not be identified by you or I and exactly how would an arab end up at 1600 pennsylvania ave? dont tell me for the love of g-d that Bush is an arab please dont tell me. You know what scares me sometimes i have ludicruis (sp?) ideas and statements but thats all they are, you actually believe all of the stuff you say thats the frightening part

Originally Posted by B-Line

BTW, I often don't voice my opinion on the war on Iraq because I have a very hard time articulating why I feel the way I do about the war.
I have an opinion but to a lot of people it might not make a lot of sense. I would like to try to explain it though as I'm interested to hear a debate that deals with the issues I am about to raise.

I think we need to be in Iraq. And not because of WMD's or even regime change. I think we need to be in Iraq because of a number of reasons that we can not just come out and say. We needed an excuse that people would stand behind and WMD's were the excuse. Having said that, here is my opinion of why we do need to be there.

1) After 9/11, it was clear that the US needed a war. Unfortunately Afghanistan was not the "right" war. You can't blow up a country that already looks like a "mad max" movie.
--The reasone we needed a war is a little complicated but I will try to get my ideas out. The enemy we are fighting lives by a very different logic than we do. What brings about peace in many middle eastern conflicts is not "turning the cheek" which our enemy see's as a sign of weakness. What brings about peace is "retaliation". This is something the Israeli's have understood for a long time but the rest of the world does not. For example, look at how the Muslim people retaliate to "issues" against their image/people around the world.
--So we needed retaliation for 9/11 and since there was no target that was effective for the US, we needed to make one up. To show our stregnth, our willingness to fight back. Iraq was in the wrong place at the wrong time and had they not pissed off the UN weapons inspectors and had they been more receptive to inspections, maybe they would not have been attacked.

-- Now let me say this clearly. Sometimes small wars are neccessary to avert big wars. Iraq is a small war (compared to a World War) and even though small wars sometimes lead to big wars, more often than not, they prevent big wars. It is my strong belief that regardless of WMD's, Regime Change, we are in Iraq to prevent a much, much bigger impending Middle East war. Iran is much more dangerous than N. Korea and we needed military on it's borders. The people who have declared war on us, the Jihad's, they are in the Middle East and we needed a place to fight them. So Iraq became the playing field for our fight against terrorism.

So even if it's not Iraq, we need to be there somewhere. We need the retaliation or they will see us as weak and attack us even more. We unfortunately need to fight fire, with bigger fire. Yes, it's a nice idea to turn the other cheek but that will empower our enemy's to become stronger.

B

Originally Posted by B-Line

Eric, the Jews don't care what the Germans or the Arabs say. To ALL of them there is only one Jewish response.. "NEVER AGAIN" For every six million of us they try to kill, we will kill 24 million of yours.
Once the world understands that, maybe there will be some push forward for peace. But if any Arab thinks the Jews are going to roll over and be cooked in an oven again or pushed into the sea, it's going to be bloody mayhem. And the Jews and Israel are thankful to have the US as it's ally. Cause guess who there coming for after the Jews.. The Christians.

B

Originally Posted by WMG/BMW

Lets not leave out biblical implications for the war. The bible clearly states that all nations will seek to destroy Israel, but will fail, not by the power of Israel but by the power of God. Israel will stand and can stand alone. America is not mentioned in the bible, therefore my opinion is eventually the US will end up like Egypt, Rome, etc, will destroy itself internally, most likely by democratic hands, dismantling our armies, and trying the UN/ diplomatic approach of appeasement/peace which will leave us naked, with no military and eventual destruction. We must keep God in our nation and not remove him. Keep God in our schools, since this country was founded on faith and the bible we are blessed. Abortion, homosexuality, liberalism, will surely lead this nation to be blessed no more and then all the evil in the world will come upon us. All I ask is think about it.