Wtf
 

does anyone else see this as propostirous (sp?)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/us/12guns.html

Many of your posts in threads where the subject has come up.


Like I said, you have many misconceptions. Here is some history:

The population did not vote for Hitler at all. In fact, he was defeated both times he ran for president, in 1928 and again in 1932.

The Nazis were supported by almost all the major corporations in Europe (as well as many British and American corporations) due to their anti-communist and pro-fascist leanings, and thus they raised much more money than the other German political parties. As a result, they were able to outspend their opponents by a 3-to-1 margain in political campaigns. Even with this big spending advantage, Hitler still lost both of his presidential bids. But the party itself managed to gain over 40% of the total seats in the Reichstag (German Parlament) by 1932.

In the German political system, the second in charge to the president was the "chancelor". The chancelor also served as head of the Reichstag, much the same way our VP is head of the Senate. But instead of the chancelor running for office along with the president, he was a cabinet member appointed by the president and then approved by the Reichstag.

After Hitler's defeat in 1932, he went to President Hindenburg and demanded to be appointed chancelor. Hindenburg refused, and as a result the Nazis decided to freeze the Reichstag making it impossible for Hindenburg to get any legislation passed. Since they were the majority party in the Reichstag, they were able to do this much the same way the Republicans could freeze the Senate or House if they wanted to.

Ultimately, Hindenburg gave in and appointed Hitler as chancelor in January 1933. Three weeks after this was when the Reichstag fire happened. This is the event that "made" Hitler in the eyes of the German people. Previously he was only liked by extremists, but now his anti-communist and anti-jewish rants were given legitamacy when a communist jew was arrested (and later convicted) for setting the fire. His subsequent anti-terrorist and anti-communist speeches pushed the public into a frenzy and his support among the German people went way up.

Within days of the Reichstag fire, the Reichstag passed what came to be known as the "Enabling Act" -- very similar in details to our own Patriot Act. Its official name was the "Law for the Protection of People and the State". It basically allowed the German government to detain "terrorists" indefinately without charging them with any crime and without giving them the right to defend themselves in court. It suspended privacy rights giving the government the right to search mail, property, etc. with regard to such "terrorist" cases.

Thousands of these "terrorists" were rounded up within the first few weeks. Most of them were members of the communist party (mostly Jews) or journalists who had published anti-Nazi articles. Within 2 weeks the jails in Germany were filled. When faced with the problem of having no more jail space, the decision was made to open up a few of the old WWI POW camps that had been closed since 1919. Most of the "terrorists" were sent to these various camps, and very few were ever released. These were the first of the "concentration camps".

At this time, and throughout the war, the German public was unaware of what was happening in these concentration camps. The extent of how many people were being held and how many of these camps existed was never known by the public, and most believed that terrorists were being jailed. As far as the Jews, they had simply been "relocated" to other areas so that they did not cause any more trouble for the common German people -- and most believed this was a good thing. There were rumours of "death camps" but they were nothing more than "conspiracy theories".

In 1934, a year after the Reichstag fire, President Hindenburg "died". The Reichstag voted to combine the offices of President and Chancelor into the office of "Reich Chancelor", and so Hitler became the leader of Germany. And that is when the real changes began to happen....

So no, this was not what the German people wanted. They were propogandized, indoctrinated, and lied to in every way possible. And you have to remember that the German public was perhaps the most educated public in the world at this time. This is the country that produced most of the great minds of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, including people like Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Gottlieb Daimler, Albert Einstein, Werner von Braun, Max Planck, etc. And yet, this most educated public was nothing more than "sheeple" during this time period.

Remember this the next time you think such a thing cannot happen in this country because we are a democracy or because we have an educated public who knows better. We must learn to see the signs of when we are losing our freedoms and when our leadership is becomming too powerful, and not give into such changes.

Isn't Israel guilty of the same violations that Iran is being accused of? Haven't they illegally developed nuclear weapons?

Or are you suggesting that the rules only apply when we don't like the country in question?

so your suggestion is to pull out of dealings in Israel, get out of iraq, leave nk and iran alone, become a black hole where we suck all our powers back inside and just sit here in isolation? the rest of the world doesnt seem competent nor capable of doing a damn thing to protect itself, if we pull out of all these places and go into isolation, someone will drop a bomb on us too, did we not try to stay out of Pearl Harbor? and dont tell me that was the US govt as well. like it or not hitler setup ONE Jew, if you mean to tell me our govt setup millions of muslims as a scapegoat I'd like to see proof because all I see is shit being blown up, forget the American media, I was in Israel and saw 2 buses blown up on the news with whoever it was as the responsible ones. You complain about our govt and try to educate everyone on factual information well how about taking your own advice and not believing what you read? Isnt that the point of your posts? to try and explain how not everything is what it seems? Then why do you think that what you say is true yet everyone else is wrong?

A) Israel never came out and flat out stated "We have a NUKE"
B) Israel needs one to defend itself from the area, if you haven't noticed everyone in the area wants them out of the area
C) Israel would not make claims like nk and iran and everyone else because they are a thinking body not a reactionary body

I'll wait for FACTS on how they have a nuke and threatened to use it :blah:

Eric, You make a VERY good point. I do believe Israel has nukes but am not sure. The rational answer to your question is, the rules should apply to every country in question.

Unfortunately though, we don't live in a rational world and not all countries are created equal. I wish I had a good argument for why it's ok for Israel and not ok for Iran but I don't. I only have a knee jerk reaction. That knee jerk reaction and my gut tell me, Iran having nukes is going to be a big, big problem. I am not worried though about Israel having them. Israel is not denying the holocaust and trying to push people into the sea.

B

Iran has never said they have a nuclear weapon. In fact they have repeated over and over that they are only developing nuclear energy and have no intentions of developing a nuclear weapons.

As far as the facts on Israel having a nuclear weapon, in the July 14, 1998 issue of the Jerusalem Post, there was an interview with Shimon Peres in which he admitted that Israel had a nuclear weapon.

no iran does not have one and would like everyone to think they dont but lets see what happened when nk decided they wanted nuclear energy that guess what was supported and funded by non other than US. so guess what its only a matter of time which is the equivalent of having it

Ummm I know your smart since I read your posts...
 

There are 11million African Americans in the US...there are 100million caucasion Americans in the US....unless only 10% of whites show up it would be virtually impossible for it to swing the vote. Your also not mentioning the 00 vote in the panahandle of FLA where black voters where turned away from the pols even though they were still open, with such excuses as your registration is not valid or we are out of voting materials.....black or white....depending upon who sits in power in the location intimidation is still a factor down where time stands still.

The Isrealies have the BOMB
 

WE sold them to em...that is thier deterence from being invaded. They have the means of wipping out what ever forces mass against them. That was why we sold them to em.