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Wagner 03-06-2007 03:46 PM

More Gas Price BS.
 
Heard today the rationale for the 5th straight week of gas price increases was:

- "Summer driving months are coming"
- "Transition from MTBE to Ethanol additives"

In case you weren't paying attention last year, this is the EXACT same line they used to get prices over $3.00/gallon in the US. So look for the high 3's again in the next few months.

New Congress...same worthless policy.

noncom23 03-06-2007 03:47 PM

Like they need a reason.:confused:



Quote:

Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Heard today the rationale for the 5th straight week of gas price increases was:

- "Summer driving months are coming"
- "Transition from MTBE to Ethanol additives"

In case you weren't paying attention last year, this is the EXACT same line they used to get prices over $3.00/gallon in the US. So look for the high 3's again in the next few months.

New Congress...same worthless policy.


Quicksilver 03-06-2007 04:10 PM

Here's an interesting article of how we are nickled and dimed to death when it comes to fuel. Losts of arguments pro and con but what the article does point out is that large fuel purchases, such as those made by gas stations of 5,000 gallons or more, are adjusted for temperature, They in essance are therefore getting fuel at the best price. But when you and i buy it we don't get that option so the stations and oil companies are ripping us off again.

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/144537

Wagner 03-06-2007 04:14 PM

Awesome link Quick....

I guess my next question would be what can we do to stop this crap..or is there really no alternative......

IMO:

Hybrid cars are not the answer to lowering gas prices, if anything...they will raise them to make up the loss.

Alt. fuels, sure but the government isn't pressing them for decades out...so useless.

Congress, we tried that...they did nothing.

Quicksilver 03-06-2007 04:21 PM

In my mind the best answer to me is pass it around. (Perhaps a repost on X5 world would be a good start). Since it was your post that got this started you may pass it along if you wish. :thumbup:

My guess is that the simple paragraph you see below which is in the box in the article very few people know about. Perhaps it should be explained so that enough people know about it and it will become common knowledge. Other than that i wouldn't expect the suits to take any action against the golden goose. After all they can afford the gas.

Rules of physics cost us money
Few Americans realize that fuel is often sold at temperatures higher than the government standard of 60 degrees. It's a standard agreed to nearly a century ago by the industry and regulators. Collectively, it's costing us billions of dollars a year, according to an investigation by The Kansas City Star.

It works this way:
As a liquid, gasoline expands and contracts depending on temperature. At the 60-degree standard, the 231-cubic-inch American gallon puts out a certain amount of energy. But that same amount of gas expands to more than 235 cubic inches at 90 degrees, even though consumers still only get 231 cubic inches at the pump.

Put simply, every degree over the 60-degree standard diminishes the energy a 231-cubic-inch gallon delivers to the nation's fleet of vehicles — and forces drivers to use more fuel and pay more.

Basic physics rules mean that, depending on the temperature, the difference can amount to just a few cents per gallon. But it adds up to big money — coming straight out of consumers' pockets. Moreover, it's legal, because even though your local filling station measures your gas as if it were stored at 60 degrees, no law requires retailers to adjust the pump to reflect the expansion of hot fuel.

In Hawaii, a gallon of fuel contains nearly 234 cubic inches — about 3 cubic inches more than is dispensed in the rest of the United States. No other state adjusts for temperature fluctuations when dispensing fuel.
McClatchy-Tribune

Quote:

Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Awesome link Quick....

I guess my next question would be what can we do to stop this crap..or is there really no alternative......

IMO:

Hybrid cars are not the answer to lowering gas prices, if anything...they will raise them to make up the loss.

Alt. fuels, sure but the government isn't pressing them for decades out...so useless.

Congress, we tried that...they did nothing.


rayxi 03-06-2007 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
In my mind the best answer to me is pass it around. (Perhaps a repost on X5 world would be a good start). Since it was your post that got this started you may pass it along if you wish. :thumbup:

My guess is that the simple paragraph you see below which is in the box in the article very few people know about. Perhaps it should be explained so that enough people know about it and it will become common knowledge. Other than that i wouldn't expect the suits to take any action against the golden goose. After all they can afford the gas.

Rules of physics cost us money
Few Americans realize that fuel is often sold at temperatures higher than the government standard of 60 degrees. It's a standard agreed to nearly a century ago by the industry and regulators. Collectively, it's costing us billions of dollars a year, according to an investigation by The Kansas City Star.

It works this way:
As a liquid, gasoline expands and contracts depending on temperature. At the 60-degree standard, the 231-cubic-inch American gallon puts out a certain amount of energy. But that same amount of gas expands to more than 235 cubic inches at 90 degrees, even though consumers still only get 231 cubic inches at the pump.

Put simply, every degree over the 60-degree standard diminishes the energy a 231-cubic-inch gallon delivers to the nation's fleet of vehicles — and forces drivers to use more fuel and pay more.

Basic physics rules mean that, depending on the temperature, the difference can amount to just a few cents per gallon. But it adds up to big money — coming straight out of consumers' pockets. Moreover, it's legal, because even though your local filling station measures your gas as if it were stored at 60 degrees, no law requires retailers to adjust the pump to reflect the expansion of hot fuel.

In Hawaii, a gallon of fuel contains nearly 234 cubic inches — about 3 cubic inches more than is dispensed in the rest of the United States. No other state adjusts for temperature fluctuations when dispensing fuel.
McClatchy-Tribune

There's more to it that that. Underground gasoline tanks have a fairly stable temperature. If you are filling up a full tank the bulk of the gasoline will be at the underground temperature regardless of the surface temperature. Therefore, the density of the metered gasoline is fairly constant. What could affect the density more is whether that or not the gas station just filled up from the tanker.

the head 03-06-2007 04:49 PM

One solution is to buy gas in bulk and sell to friends at a discounted price

rayxi 03-06-2007 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the head
One solution is to buy gas in bulk and sell to friends at a discounted price

Where would you keep it, in your basement? :rofl:

AzNMpower32 03-06-2007 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayxi
Where would you keep it, in your basement? :rofl:

Inside the 30-gallon fuel tank of a Hummer H2. DUH.

Quicksilver 03-06-2007 04:59 PM

I appreciate your comments but this issue is based on the evidence provide by the experts in the field who have already done the studies and arrived at the conclusions that we are paying to much based on this practice. (Read the article. Your opnions were already covered) If there were no evident different temperature issues that effected the cost for consumers then there would have been no need to bring it up. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayxi
There's more to it that that. Underground gasoline tanks have a fairly stable temperature. If you are filling up a full tank the bulk of the gasoline will be at the underground temperature regardless of the surface temperature. Therefore, the density of the metered gasoline is fairly constant. What could affect the density more is whether that or not the gas station just filled up from the tanker.



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