hahaha, yeah, damn RPC codes ;)

Yea, but that's only 32 hp out of the extra 2.2L. Another example of inefficient American automotive engineering. Anyone care to gander what the output of a BMW 6.2L V8 would be? I'll take the giant scalpel instead of the giant saw thank you very much.

Personal preference? Of course :).

Wait until the Mods come out or the New Z06. I'm a big BMW fan having owned many and I currently own one with one on the way. I ask you this....what would a 6.2L BMW would cost at the showroom? I'm guessing Six Figures +.

Michael

So what's your opinion on the BMW 6.0L V12 that *only* has 438HP? hmmmmmmm, is that engine inefficent? ;)

One of the amazing things about a high displacement motor is the amount tq it can make. And how fat the power band is. The power isn't peaky(although the vette isn't bad). So you don't have to have a big peak number to have it moving. . There is just gobs of power everywhere. Even as low as 1500rpm, many stock Vipers (GenII...think GTS) never make less than 350-370rwtq.
It's damn near impossible to lug the motor. I've tried. the car has so much tq that you can idle up a hill in 4th gear...and it will not stall. that..is tq. i can cruise in 6th gear close to 100mph around 2k rpm with no lugging.

The durability testing at Chrysler for the Viper had a V10 doing 300 consecutive hours at wide-open-throttle on an engine dyno... Other than Porsche, I doubt many import engines would fare well in that kind of test... They'd be lucky to make 40 hours and survive. This is where it's hard to beat a push-rod low BHP/liter engine. They just keep on going like the Energizer Bunny.

I get a kick out of manufacturers term "hand-built" engines. All engines are hand built for chrissakes, no one uses a robot. The only thing special about the way the ls7GM engine is built or the Ford GT engine or the Ford Mustang Cobra engine for example is that only one or two people build the entire engine up as opposed to regular high volume engine builds where you have maybe 30-50 people building up the engine. Marketing ploy I guess. I mean if you are only building let's say 8 cars a day that use this engine of course you don't set a line up with 30 people to build it, you probably only need one or two people. So the manufacturer puts in their ads that these are hand built engines. Haaaaaaa. Same goes for other car makers in Europe or whatever, they are all hand-built engines the only difference is just how many hands are involve

Otoh,
Trying to avoid sounding like an "anti-advancement/refinement"
trog, I wonder how much more "oomph" cars need, motor-wise?

My '02 will put ones' eyes back in their sockets and handles far
better than my eroding skills can push, esp. on our 2 lane black
top Mtn roads. It is no Turbo PCar or Ferrari or Viper, but it plain
hauls azz...this is with the wimpy small block 350 and maybe 350
hp.

Do I, or many of us, really need another 80-100 hp for driving
around, taking trips, cruising, etc.?

And, the rush to add gizmos and stuff, simply ratchets up the
glitch potential and cranks up the price...all the car mfg'rs are
guilty and caught up "in the race" for hot licks from the car mags
and bench racing bs gang, imo...I must be getting older, lol!

He who has the most wins I guess MD. :rofl: I agree, what the fook can you do with all those horses? Just asking for trouble. That's hell, having a car that can do all that but having to hold back. I may as well just rip up my DL and throw it out the window.

Auto manufacturers are definitely in a HP war, and it's because of current technology that is allowing them to make more precision blocks,cams, lifters, pistons, head, fuel injection systems, butterfly exhausts, etc etc. Things that would have cost thousands of dollars extra back in the day or a trip to your local motorhead garage are now standard equipment. IMO, what's going to bring it to a screeching hault is gas prices and MPG. It's going to be a sad day in US history when muscle cars, big V8's and high horsepower engines are a thing of the past.... I can just hear it now from the next generation "you used to drive a 405HP Corvette!?!?!?!?" as we drive down the GSP in 40HP electric golf cart :(

I hear ya, G...I just don't get, in the practical sense, what one can
do with 180+ mph vs 175 mph, or any extra 2/10s to 60 from a rolling
start. Any of these cars that some of us have, will walk 99% of the
cars on the planet that we see in daily driving. And, except for a
track run, none of us will ever put our rides to the limit on any street.

I realize the ol'General is no slouch with motors, esp. the Vette Division,
but I would think they'd be spending time and dough to peel even more
weight off a very light car, fiddling with gear ratios for even better mpg
at cruise, sprucing up the interior without the "smaltz" catalog, refining
the gizmos before prod., (can you imagine the fix-it costs on the paddle
shifters about 4 yrs into ownership?!), etc., etc.

Again, I'm not some ol'anti-advancement geezer, stuck in time...and the
niche mkt these kinds of cars chase, is full of us boomers with dough.

It may well be the last of this decade for the last hooray of 400+ hp
cars. Speaking of golf carts, a Bud in Sebring has his electric cart modded
to the max: it does nearly 40, though the handling at that speed is suspect, lol!
BR,mD

I was agreeing with you :) and then making another comment :)

I don't want to hear about the possibilities of golf cart mods, the more people are able to do the closer we get to the reality of them becomeing DD's :(