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Originally Posted by FSETH (Post 700625)

I went for these. Not as much mercury as others. :thumbup: Wish there wasn't any used at all, but what are you gonna do?

Energy saving lightbulbs by EarthMate

I understand it takes energy, resources and chemicals to recycle, but I don't see how it can be bad overall.

I am just saying that I try to do my part. I could be much better, but there are many people doing less. I think that attitude it better than just saying there is no problem at all.

Edit; This was the third paragraph of the article you linked;

Recycling is generally far better than sending waste to landfills and relying on new raw materials to drive the consumer economy. It takes two-thirds less energy to make products from recycled plastic than from virgin plastic. By the last official measure in 2005, Americans recycle an estimated 32 percent of their total waste, which averages nearly a ton per person per year, around a third of which is plastic. Our recycling efforts save the greenhouse gas equivalent of removing 39.6 million cars from the road.

Sounds like recycling is awesome!

Yes, recycling in specific instances in the WAY WE DO IT NOW. No Cap & Trade or useless govt. programs. Amazing what people will do on their own! :) That is my point.

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 700635)

Yes, recycling in specific instances in the WAY WE DO IT NOW. No Cap & Trade or useless govt. programs. Amazing what people will do on their own! :) That is my point.

I am onboard with that. I was referring to more of a personal responsibility thing in my earlier posts.

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 700616)

Funny how US home building standards don't go up to make sure every new home is energy efficient, but you can get credits out the butt to modify yours after purchase...yeah..that doesn't seem like a scam at all.

Also forgot to mention that home building has gotten much better over the years. In my area, homes built 20 years ago had single pane windows, hardly any insulation, more air leaks and so on. Not to mention some of the matierials used 20-40 years ago could be toxic. Now most new construction features double pane windows, more/better insulation in the walls and attic, more energy efficient kitchen appliances, water heater, tiolets, faucets, HVAC systems and so on. It is generally much, much better, so I see giving credits to bring the older homes up to date with this newer construction as a good thing.

I just replaced a 20-year old commode with a new 1.4 gallon/flush model and received a $100 credit applied to my county water bill. What is so bad about that?

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 700616)

:rofl: you know how toxic a CFL is? you know the level of Mercury in that bad boy? That is my point exactly, people rushing out to do things (BUY things) they are told are "good" as opposed to all those "bad" ones.

Funny how US home building standards don't go up to make sure every new home is energy efficient, but you can get credits out the butt to modify yours after purchase...yeah..that doesn't seem like a scam at all.

And recycling...JOKE. Plastics are fun to recycle...
When Recycling Is Bad for the Environment | Pollution | DISCOVER Magazine

I'm all for people not being huge pigs. I'm all for airports vehicles and mass-transit vehicles being hydrogen powered. (see LAX) But making sweeping policies to create bogus "credits" and "cap & trade" is nothing more than a money making scheme that the majority of morons have assumed is somehow beneficial to something, though they can't prove what :)

tangent over :rofl:

Will you just knock it off with the common sense already. Green activists believe those against these green measures are dumping our toxic waste in our backyards. I'm willing to bet most of us on the Conservative side are some of the most consciences people on the planet. it's called personal responsibility which applies to every aspect of life. We preach personal responsibility and are ridiculed by those on the left.

Their message is you need the government in your lives because you can't think or do things on your own. With that said it makes sense that they want everything related to the environment mandated by the government. Besides, if people were given more freedom in their lives what role would be left for our government? Possibly protecting those rights and freedoms? There's a concept.

One clarification. When I say "Conservative" I don't mean "Republican",

We are in an Interglacial Period. Could slip into an ice age any time in the next
5000 years...Last Ice Age ended 13,000 yrs ago. Last same heat and CO2
measurements we had like this were 15 mil yrs ago...All the planets in our solar system are warming. Our temps depend on much more than man can control.

Yeah lets don't trash the place either. But don't tell me I gotta pay Al Gore
because of Nature's evolution. IMHO...