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Originally Posted by TerminatorX5 (Post 958668)

where are we heading as a society, when a society shields the kids from responsibility, from punishment (and how do you punish a kid who doesn't care about money, responsibility? spank his a$$!!!) while they are little, and then swings with a full force of the law enFORCEment once they are all grown up... the society sets them up for this failure...

Unfortunately, in the United States today, IMHO, we do not effectively teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society. Money does not induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by their taught, learned and ultimately educated understanding of what makes the United States unique in the world and an accurate understanding of our Constitution. Parents have a responsibility to learn all of this themselves and then teach it to their children. We use to be taught it in school, but today…. I am not so sure.

Nearly all of us are quick to claim benefits under our legal system, but not everybody is eager to fulfill their obligations to our society. We have become a nation obsessed with rights and forgetful of responsibilities. In an age where we see a widening gulf between those who are affluent and those that are barely getting by, many people find it easy to forget that all good things must be paid for by somebody or paid for through hard work, through painful abstinence, sometimes through bitter sacrifice.

UPDATE: So much for the NYC Police intervening….

According to the DNAinfo New York web site, apparently there were six (6) off-duty NYPD policemen who took part in this group motorcycle ride on September 29, yet none of the six intervened during Lien's beating. According to sources cited by this web site, NYPD Internal Affairs has the names of two detectives, one sergeant and three police officers who were either on the highway when motorcyclists confronted Lien, who was driving with his wife and 2-year-old daughter, or witnessed the assault at West 178th Street.

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Originally Posted by AVB-AMG (Post 958685)

Unfortunately, in the United States today, IMHO, we do not effectively teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society. Money does not induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by their taught, learned and ultimately educated understanding of what makes the United States unique in the world and an accurate understanding of our Constitution. Parents have a responsibility to learn all of this themselves and then teach it to their children. We used to be taught it in school, but today…. I am not so sure.

Nearly all of us are quick to claim benefits under our legal system, but not everybody is eager to fulfill their obligations to our society. We have become a nation obsessed with rights and forgetful of responsibilities. In an age where we see a widening gulf between those who are affluent and those that are barely getting by, many people find it easy to forget that all good things must be paid for by somebody or paid for through hard work, through painful abstinence, sometimes through bitter sacrifice.

UPDATE: So much for the NYC Police intervening….

According to the DNAinfo New York web site, apparently there were six (6) off-duty NYPD policemen who took part in this group motorcycle ride on September 29, yet none of the six intervened during Lien's beating. According to sources cited by this web site, NYPD Internal Affairs has the names of two detectives, one sergeant and three police officers who were either on the highway when motorcyclists confronted Lien, who was driving with his wife and 2-year-old daughter, or witnessed the assault at West 178th Street.

Saw this too. The IA rep is saying that had the officers intervened, they would have escalated the situation. Bullshit. Their badges should be in the trash.

Weren't some or all of them under (deep) cover?

The guy that smashed in the rear window was an undercover policeman. Oops.

Undercover cop charged in SUV attack | New York Post

Wow. UC or not.... inexcusable.

Yea I got pulled over once on my bike by a cop in a car, in a different lane, in front of me. He said I was tailgating him. I could smell that he was wasted. Combined with his crazy red face, slurred speech, and him yelling stupid shit at me. I took off my helmet, called the cops and said a drunk cop pulled me over. That shit took my docs, and threw them in a puddle as he and his partner ran to his car and left. Oh the drunk was driving. This was a while ago.

I really need car and bike cams. These cops need to be put in place more so than the bikers.