[eas] Official DICE iPod integration kit Q/A thread
 

This thread will be for questions regarding the Dice iPod integration kit for your BMW. Questions regarding features, compatibility, installation and bug reports can be submitted to this thread.

http://www.europeanautosource.com/images/dice_main.jpg

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=268


Product Description:

Connect your iPod to your vehicle's factory entertainment system and hear what your iPod should sound like in your BMW. CD-quality sound and controls from your radio, steering wheel or the iPod. Always keeps your iPod charged and ready to go.

The DICE iPod integration kit will also display text from your iPod onto your BMWs radio/Navigation display allowing you to view Artist, Song title and Album name!

A clean factory looking installation is possible with our sleek iPod docking cable, allowing full connectivity for all iPods utilizing a dock connector.

Our hard-wired kit connects right to the cd changer connectors already present in your BMW. The DICE module transfers information between the iPod and radio through a dock cable or our upcoming video cradle.

New features of DICE iPod Integration kit include:

iPod is now fully unlocked while connected to DICE integration kit. You are allowed full access of your iPod's features as well as the following browsing options:

- Album Selection
- Song Selection
- Playlist Selection
- Chapter Selection (Audible/Audiobooks)

You can browse your iPod with the steering wheel, radio or Navigation buttons and the iPod (or any combination of the three) without booting into separate modes. Allowing the iPod to remain in "iPod UI" allows for the user to still rate songs and create "on the go" playlists.

AUX compatibility with user-adjustable Sound Output settings:

Connect any external audio device including: aftermarket satellite radio, CD/DVD players, non-Apple MP3 players and more! Bass, mid, treble and gain settings can be adjusted on the fly. These options allow for distortion-free audio input.

Selecting between audio from your iPod or AUX input is done with the press of a button on your radio.

- Volume Output (selectable 1-100)
- Bass (selectable 1-100)
- Midrange (selectable 1-100)
- Treble (selectable 1-100)

ID3 text output

- Features Song Title/Artist and Album information on your Navigation or Radio Display.

Charging Control

Charging of your iPod while in play, never have a dead iPod again!

Models Supported:

1996-2006 3-series, including M3 (not for i-Drive models)*
1997-2003 5-series, including M5
09/1998-2001 7 series
2004-2006 X3
2000-2006 X5
1996-2002 Z3, including M-Roadster/Coupe
2003-2006 Z4
2000-2003 Z8
2003-2006 Mini Cooper/Cooper S

* pre 1999 vehicles and Business Cassette do not have ID3 text support.

Compatible for both Navigation and Business CD/Cassette vehicles. Installation is simple for the DIY type and should take no longer than 90 minutes.

DICE installation supplement for BMW: http://support.diceelectronics.com/f...mw_install.pdf

DICE User instructions for BMW: http://support.diceelectronics.com/f...al_rev_B01.pdf

Kits are always in stock and ready for same-day shipping!

Do you have any photos of a Nav system?
Greetings

Absolutely! The pictures are from an e39 5-series but both systems are the same:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...e39[2].jpg http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...e39[3].jpg

Here's a shot of the OBC in action as well:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...e39[1].jpg

Tom,
Loving my Dice so far but had a scare a day ago. I pluged in my iPod and the text was stuck. The song stopped and the iPod was not recognized. When I disconnected the iPod the text was still stuck. No matter what I did (switch from CD to Radio to Aux) nothing helped. I turned off the X and started it back but still stuck. When I got to my destination, turned off X and returned about 45 min later....IT WORKED! Whew! But I just want to know have you heard of these symptoms yet with the dice? Hopefully it does not happen again but it did seem to reset after turning the engine off and waiting a while.

Just got my Dice last night.... seem simple to install.. I just can't local my Pin3 and Pin6.. in the rear... any tips...

04 X3 with Nav

http://www.x3world.com/x3-e83-forum/...t=Dice+install

Sir, your X3 won't have them in the rear. I believe your plugs are under the carpet under the center console.

X3s have been a bit more work than the other BMWs.

Oh really.. man.. I'll try that tonite..

The connections will depend on if you X3 is prewired for Sirius or not. The Sirius prewired models (SA693) have the connections in the cargo area on the driver's side.

The non-Sirius prewire models have them underneath the storage bin in the center console:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1412/cimg16765rz.jpg

Feel free to contact me directly if you should have any questions.

Tom,

Will the DICE midule fit under the center storage bin in an '06 X3, or will I need to keep the module in the storage bin itself?

Is the ICE>Link module/connection any different? (I would rather get the DICE fore its better display and use options).

My X3 is prewired for Sirus, but I do not have Serius installed, so I was going to tap into the wiring under the armrest storage bin in the center console. I want to avoid having to install it in the rear cargo area.

Thanks!

Followup, anwsered in this post: http://www.x3world.com/x3-e83-forum/...removal-2.html

Tom what about Business systems cd with no nav and dsp installed, will we need any etra stuff like we had to get for the icelink?

I believe you have an ice>Link already - all you will need is an upgrade:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW - *UPGRADE*
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=283

This will utilize the same wiring and make the job a simple 5 minute swap. :thumbup:

Dice
 

I just installed the Dice in my 01 X5 W/O DSP. I can't seem to get the radio controls to work on the iPod, or get the display to display the song, track ect. What do I do? My iPod is the 5th Gen 60gig video

Thanks,
Nick

Make sure that you are on Disc 6 track 6 setting on your radio.. and I notice that it steer wheel control work better when you use the Ipod Playlist instead of the others( songs, albums, etc).

I got mine install in the X3 with nav.. and it work great.. a bit slow sometime.. but sound awesome..

tdrag97 is correct, CD#6 will enable text display, the specific track setting will depend if you have Business CD or Navigation.

Sorry if i am being dumb what bennerfits does this offer over the Ice link
Thanks

We have created a comparison chart just for this question:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/im...pod_matrix.jpg

Thanks for that Tom

Update --- DICE iPod system installed! Took a little while to dismantle the center armrest support bracket, but once I did I was easily able to fish out the wiring. I figured a stealth way to wire the connector to set the Ipod in the top part of the armrest to avoid storing it in the lower bin portion. :thumbup: I'll take pics soon to show the setup.

Everything is working great!!! Thanks Tom for the amazingly fast shipping!!!

Hi Tom:

May, 2004 X5 with DSP and Sirius. Can the module go in the back or under the seat, I really use my center console bin? Which unit should I get and do I need to check which ipod we have? It is a couple years old.

You can leave the iPod in the back if you wish - I would prefer having it up front for convienence issues.

Here is the kit you will need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW with Sirius
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=285

Yes I would think you'd want the iPod up front, but that hot module, can it be tucked in the back or under a seat? TIA

Under a seat or I would prefer underneath the center console bin. :)

I bought the DICE. Easy to install and does not initialize. Can not read text, listen to music, change songs. But, I can fastforward a song.....

Sounds like you are in AUX mode. What iPod Generation are you using and I will need to know the firmware on the iPod:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...mod_id=2&id=36

I have a 4gen and 3.1.1 frimware. On my Ipod / about it has 3.1.1 on version. I went to disc #6 and tried 1-20. I was messing with it so much I wore down my battery....

Was your battery disconnected during the initial installation? This will cause the DICE not to be initialized properly.

The battery was connected during the installation. The battery problem occured because I was trying to figure out how to set up the text on the radio........
I have to get a jump start now because I drained my battery.

Need help
 

Can anybody help me with my problem...

Back to the original issue - have the battery cables been disconnected? A dead battery is not considered the same as removing the cables.

Tom,
Thanks for your help. What are the two fuses that I need to unplug? I finally got the fuse box open. I do not have Nav. I think you said 2 for non-Nav and 3 for Nav. ! is the Radio and the other is? Thanks again.....

There is a fuse card within that panel - this will show the needed fuses to pull.

What fuses?
 

What two fuses do you pull? I looked online and read the manual. Im sure one fuse is the radio and the other is?????? Is it easier just to unplug the battery?

The battery is the best way to reinitialize. Follow these steps:

1. Remove both battery cables, negative first.
2. Remove iPod from DICE iPod kit.
3. Touch both battery cables together (away from battery terminals) for 5 seconds.
4. Leave battery cables removed for 5-7 minutes.
5. Reconnect battery cables, negative last.
6. Reboot iPod (extra step) by pressing on CENTER and MENU buttons together for +5 seconds.
7. Connect iPod to DICE kit after reboot process is completed.

Tom, do you post to Europe (the UK and or Republic of Moldova)?

Absolutely! Most of the tech support we provided for Dension was overseas. :)

Are there advantages to getting the DICE vs Ice>link ?? Which would you recommend??

Dave

Ice Link Plus vs DICE
 

I am having trouble deciding which route to go as well. Here is how I see it...

DICE Pro's...

DICE displays the album title, artist, and song title while the ice>Link Plus only displays artist and song title. (points for the DICE IMO)
DICE allows one to navigate the iPod via iPod scroll wheel at any time. (this may prove handy, anyone? Is it sometimes time consuming to find a song via the BMW controls?)
$20 less (not a biggie, really)

ice>Link Plus Pro's...

ice>Link Plus allows browsing by playlists, albums, & artists while the DICE is only able to browse via playlists and albums. (big points for the ice>Link Plus IMO)
ice>Link Plus has 3 user defined charging modes. DICE always charges iPod, which may not be good for the longevity of iPod battery.
Ice>Link Plus is able to accept firmware updates

I'm kinda leaning toward the ice>Link Plus. Tom, can you confirm my reasoning? I thought I read somewhere that the ice>Link Plus will not be available in the near future, is this true?

The DICE allows for firmware updates, but not by the end user. The module must be sent in for updates. This will not be a frequent issue.

Here is a comparison chart we made for the two kits (as well as the BMW kit):

http://www.europeanautosource.com//i...pod_matrix.jpg

Unfortunately, the ice>Link Plus has since been discontinued. The DICE has stepped in and taken its place - we are working with DICE on adding more features. :thumbup:

No Steering wheel control or Text
 

I have a 2003 X5 4.6is w/ Nav, Stealthone, OEM TV, DVD Overhead. I can get sound from my DICE, but I can not get text nor steering control. I can control the IPOD without issue, but I can't control from the steering wheel. When I pressed the button to advance songs in CD mode 1, the number advances but nothing happens. I also dont get text, I get CD 1-71 etc. When I go to CD 6-4 mode then it shows like Vol. Bas. etc. Like I am in the AUX mode, but I then check it to be 5-1.

I have pulled fuses, and battery. Still no help. Ideas? Ipod updated and reset.

What Generation iPod and firmware (iPod firmware) are you using? The minimum support versions are found at this link:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...mod_id=2&id=36

Tom, two things:

1. Any screenshots with iPod on the NAV screen? (did I miss them somewhere?)

2. The only purpose of the cable to the front of the car is to connect the iPod? The reason I ask is that I would actually prefer to have the iPod back in the trunk. I was thinking I could mount one of your iPod cradles in the side compartment where the CD changer would normally go. (I'd prefer an uncluttered glove box/console)

If I'm not running a cable up front, it's a pretty simple plug and play?

Thoughts?

Here ya go:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...e39[2].jpg http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...e39[3].jpg

It's a very simple P&P - I would rather have the iPod in the front for convienence issues or if anyone else wanted to use an iPod in the X5. The cable only take about 20 minutes to run.

Damn you are fast.. I was coming back to clarify that a bit more... I wanted to see a screenshot of the UI.. selecting playlists/albums.

Something to consider... I'll call you tomorrow to discuss another mod and get an Ipod interface ordered.

That can be found here: http://www.xoutpost.com/vendor-forum/...lable-bmw.html

This has 3-series pictures posted - but the same text will be displayed on your NAV screen.

I'll be waiting for the call! :thumbup:

i have a 04 x5 w/ nav and but no cd changer or business CD. i tried w/ blitz ipod interface and it isnt compatable. im lookin at the dice set up. is dice easy to install tom?? does anyone have a DIY write up??

I am also looking to add Ipod integration into my 2003 X5 non nav/dsp business CD. If someone could share the installation details for the DICE kit that would be great! Thanks...

Hayaku did a great installation DIY for the forum on the ice>Link - the procedures are exactly the same for the DICE:

http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/x5/s...ll-bmw-x5.html

If you have DSP, we'll need to know if you have Digital or Analog DSP: http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...mod_id=2&id=11

Here's the kit for Non DSP or Analog DSP:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=268

Digital DSP configurations will need this kit:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW - DSP
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=284

if you are unsure of your connections, give me a call while you are at the X5 and we'll go over them together. :thumbup:

Dice - ipod
 

how quick is the browsing speed of my ipod playlists through the Dice?

Just as fast as if you used the iPod itself. The DICE uses minimal resources. :)

Tom--what's in the works to allow functionality of the head unit's "RND" button to activacte shuffle play on the Ipod? It worked with the Icelink Plus?

In the works, the trick is getting all these features enabled without placing the iPod in UART mode, which locks out the clickwheel. In the meantime, the shuffle command on the iPod can be used.

The design priority of the DICE UI seems to have been " the iPod UI will now be enabled at all times, so let's look at the most commonly-used options on the radio and leave everything else on the iPod UI".

Me, personally, either leave Random on all the time or off all the time... either way, it's not a commonly-accessed command like the new change playlist- change album commands.

I find that leaving the Random command on the iPod works very well in practice.

Correct - the ipod is the best seaching tool itself.

The most common used features are utilized on the steering wheel. Keeping the iPod open also allows a passenger to control the iPod without reaching over your radio controls.

Indeed--and it's all fine and good for those who have access to their iPod or want their passengers to have access to it. Personally, I prefer to keep the iPod in my glove compartment and control everything from the head unit. It'd be great to have the option of toggling shuffle--that way, when I ran into a song and wanted to hear more, I could turn shuffle off and listen to the whole album--without leaning over at 85mph, opening the glove box, and looking for "shuffle songs" on the iPod menu.

I've got an 02 X5 3.0 with NAV and CD Changer. Would I have to give up my CD Changer for the DICE?

Answered my own question, it looks like it will render the CD Changer inoperable. I'm reluctant to dump the changer since I have a Nav with the really useful cassette player.

Any prospect for a DICE that will alow the CD Changer to function as well?

Tom--on the Ice>Link Plus, I can't seem to get the UI to work on the Ipod, so I can change settings. The settings can be changed (selected cd 6 on my head unit and was able to change volume settings coming from the Ipod just by pressing "M" and track forward, still, no UI on the Ipod--just did it by ear), but there are a few other tweaks I'd like to make.

What would deactivate the UI, and how can I fix it?

The CD Changer is replaced with the DICE. Trust me, you will forget all about the CD Changer after the iPod is integrated. ;)

What settings are you looking to change? If you have text display enabled - the menus should appear on the MID. If you can, email me directly at [email protected] for the ice>Link support so we don't drift the thread off track.

Ack. No worries. Started it up this morning and got text.

Will the DICE work on an 05 X3 with both NAV and DSP?

I have located the wire bundle from the center console and am ready to plug something in. Do I need to make any connections with the DSP in the trunk?

Also, I already have an Aux input installed. Does that need to come out?

Thanks!

Yes, what wires are in the bundle in the center console? It will either be a 3-pin & 6 pin connectors or 3-pin and coax connector.

I have a 3-pin and 6-pin bundle.

You will not require the DSP adapter, this is the kit you need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=268

In stock and ready to ship on Monday morning.

Tom, how much is the shipping of DICE to Europe, the UK?

The website should be able to tell you once your information is entered, or feel free to PM me your shipping address and I'll look it up for you.

Tom,

I have a Mini Cooper S 2005 model (Nov 2004 Build) with factory Nav and Harmon Kardon Sound

Does the DICE adapter, whilst in use,allow the Factory Sat Nav voice to be heard giving directions over the music playing?

I'm leaning towards the DICE over the Icelink plus due to the IPOD interface and MFSW controls allowed to be used at the same time. Icelink allows only one or the other to be used as far as i know???

Also DICE has aux input.

Also is there enough cable with the DICE so that it can be installed in the Centre arm rest?

When is the DICE Video cradle available?

What do i need to order for the above system?

Steve

The icelink kits overseas only came with the Quadlock connector - which disables BMW Assist and Voice Prompts. If you have Bluetooth - this is affected as well and requires rewiring in order to retain the features. The DICE isolates the interface purely to the CD Changer wiring and does not affect these devices. Audio will automatically mute when voice prompts are given as the MFSW commands are all transferred to the iPod.

The wiring is 15 feet from end to end - more than enough to reach the glovebox or center console. Here is the kit you need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for Mini Cooper
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=314

Let me know if you have any further questions.

Tom,

That was Quick, many thanks :)

Does the kit come complete with all cables, i.e cable required from the CD changer socket to the module and cable from the module to the Ipod? What is the length of the cable from the Module to the Ipod?

Thanks again

Steve

The DICE comes with everything you need - the trunk harness is 12 feet, add another 3 feet from the iPod docking cable for a total of 15 feet.

Tom,
What happen to the Ice-Link Plus?

ice>Link Plus has been discontinued and replaced by the DICE.

Tom - installed the DICE this weekend that I purchased from EAS and have a question - sometimes instead of getting the song title, I have gotten "PAUSED" or "INIT" or "CHAPTER" while the iPod is playing. Any ideas??

I'll need to know your what Generation iPod you have and it's firmware. Procedures can be found on our support page:

Minimum iPod firmware version for DICE iPod integration kit
http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...mod_id=2&id=36

I have a 4G Nano with I am pretty sure Version 1.1.1, but I will confirm.

4G Nano with Version 2.1 software, using it on a non-DSP system with Business CD. When I first installed I was getting song titles but now I am getting commands - INIT, PAUSE, CHAPTER, STOP, etc. - this all while music is playing.

Sounds like you are on CD #4 (Audiobooks) and trying to control. Press CD #1 and try the steering wheel commands to see if the same commands appear.

This is on CD#6, Track #4. I went to CD#1 and see no titles - steering wheel controls move from song to song on iPod.

Is the ignition on when testing? If not, no text is displayed.

OK, I will double-check. I also went back in this posting and saw the info on "resetting" - I was doing some other projects and did have the battery disconnected off and on throughout the day. I will try that this weekend and then return with an update.

OK, its working on Disc 1 - I was reading the directions which tells you to put it on Disc 6.

Thanks for the help!!

:thumbup:

Is the font small/large issue on the Nav display with the ICELINK PLUS fixed with the DICE?

This issue has been corrected with DICE. :thumbup:

here is a picture of my cd box, does this cable on the left mean that i have digital DSP? car is 2001 530i.
http://www.zone.ee/aise/DSC00088.JPG

This is a Digital DSP setup, this is the kit you need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW - DSP
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=284

Hello Tom:

I am trying to install the i-BMW-T in a 2006 BMW X5 4.4i without Nav and without DSP. I removed the fuses for the radio (#7, 72, 73) and cd changer (#75). I connected the 3- and 6-pin connectors to the DICE interface cable. Next, I connected the interface cable to the DICE module. Then I connected the dock cable to the DICE module. Then I connected the dock cable to my iPod. Finally, I re-inserted the proper fuses. I turned on my car and radio. When I hit mode, the stereo only switches between radio and cd player. The DICE/iPod does not show up as an option, and there is no initialization. Also, the iPod does not receive any charge while connected to the dock cable and DICE module.

What am I doing wrong? Do I really have to disconnect the battery? Or is removing the fuses sufficient?

My iPod is a 3rd generation unit with version 2.3 firmware. I also tried my girlfriend's photo iPod, version 1.2.1, with no luck as well.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Question for Tom!

I currently have the Icelink Plus, but I need an aux. input.... can I swap out the icelink for the dice? (can i use the existing cable?)

ALSO, I just noticed Dice doesn't allow Artist browsing! I really like that feature. IS THE AUX ADPATER AVAIL FOR ICELINK PLUS?

Thanks!

Removing the fuses works about 99% of the time, sometimes the battery cables must be pulled for completely power down the system.

The 3 pin connector (BMW side) has a brown wire, can you tell me if it's located in the middle or the end positon of the connector? This will determine if you are using the correct connector.

Yes, this is a simple module swap:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW - *UPGRADE*
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=283

But - the DICE allows browsing via the iPod's clickwheel, unlike the ice>Link. I may have another AUX kit left for the ice>Link, email me directly.

Middle position. Is this the correct 3-pin connector? I do not see one available with the brown wire in the end position.

That's our problem - you are using a phone connector.

http://www.europeanautosource.com/fo...nste460013.jpg

The BMW side is on the left.

There is another 3-pin connector in the cargo area with the brown wire in the #1 position. Do not confuse this with the DICE wiring harness, that has the wire in the middle.

I was mistaken. The 3-pin connector with the brown middle wire comes from the DICE harness. The 3-pin connector coming from the BMW that I have attached to the DICE harness does have the brown end wire. I believe that I am using the correct connectors.

Any other possible solutions? Is it odd to not have any power to the iPod when docked and all wires are connected?

This is normal operation. Does the X5 recognize the DICE module at all? If not, you may have zapped the module or it could have been defective from the start.

The X5 does not recognize the DICE module at all. This is the 3rd unit that has been tried on my vehicle. A car audio shop tried initially with 2 different units. They sent back one of the units and got this 3rd one. I tried installing the unit myself this time around with no luck again.

Is there any way to tell whether there is a problem with the DICE modules vs the BMW stereo connections?

Interesting - where are you getting these modules? We have no problems with installation in the X5, even with the new iPods.

Feel free to contact me directly by phone if you would like assistance in real-time.

Yup im having this same problem , let me know how you fixed it ?

Thanks

Last we left off, you were looking for your factory wiring. Did you have luck in finding the connectors?

Tom,

I have tried to order the DICE kit for my car (2003 X5, Nav 16:9, no DSP), but you shipping cost to Poland is > $100 + 22% VAT on top (>$320 in total). Is there any other shipping option? The local Dension dealer still offers the icelink plus, but shows no stock. Their price is ~$200 which is acceptable.
Do you know if they are going to offer DICE soon?
Thanks

Pawel

I got mine to Estonia for 31$ with USPS, it took 3 days:thumbup:

Hope to get it tomorrow from postoffice so i can install it at weekend.

Are you choosing FedEx as a shipper? This would explain the high rate. USPS is only quoting approx $30USD for shipping.

Have you tried DHL for a quote? They always seem to beat FedEx and UPS.

Tom

Any links with photos of a complete 3-series DICE install for an iPod mini? If mounting in glove box, do you route via the right passenger side by crossing over under the rear seat cushions?

TIA

I prefer to cross the wire over in the cabin area. We have detailed instructions in our support section:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...nter/index.php

I'll say. Great...now to find my two friends, Time and Patience. Can I just DHL the car to you for the install? I've got some really big express mailers.

:rofl:

Thanks, Tom.
Today I see the third shipping method for my order! USPS for $31 is there, not only FedEx!
I am placing my order!
Pawel

i´ve installed DICE into my 2001/08 e39 with DSP, everything is working fine, sound quality is good, i can see track names and stuff on navi. but there´s one small (actually big) problem, i get knocking sounds when adjusting volume (i push volume once, i get one knock), it seems like it´s coming from sub :S what to do?

Ipod Nano 4GB, firmware is 1.2

iPod and firmware are compatible. Recheck the power leads on the DSP converter and the wiring on your DICE harness to make sure nothing is cut or nicked.

Tom,
I've got a 01 X5 no navi no changer analog DSP. Not sure which kit I need to order as your website lists 2 DICE kits, but one does say DSP. Is this for analog or digital DSP? Totally confused, please help.
Also, this will work with the new iPOD video 1.1.1 correct?

wires are all ok, i took +12V to DSP converter trough ignition (- from body), i tried to take it directly from battery but no change. i´m clueless.

picture of test setup, http://www.hot.ee/aise/DSC00111.JPG

i´ve left all dip switches as they were in the box.

I haven't seen many MY01 X5s with analog DSP. If you have analog DSP, this is the kit you need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=268

Or feel free to contact me by phone and we can go over your connections in real-time.

Contact me directly via email at [email protected] and we'll go over your issue in further detail.

I'm pretty sure it's analog DSP as there is no coax cable connected to the amplifier in the rear. I'll snap a pic and post it up for you to review.
Thanks Tom.

Tom I purchased the Dice Link from you a couple of weeks ago (you sent it to my hotel in San Diego if that jogs your memory and yes it did arrive next day - thank you).

The thing is great but there is one major issue that Dice-Link tech support do not seem able to resolve. When I enable text display I get a drop in the IPOD volume shortly after manually changing tracks. The problem only happens if text display is enabled and seems less likely to happen if I use the IPOD for control. It does not seem to matter where I try to route the text display too. Tech support seem to know about the problem since they suggested turning-off text.

My car is a european X5 (late 2005) with analog DSP, Bluetooth, Nav etc.

I have seen other posts from people that have seen this issue but no solutions - any ideas?

Does the drop time happen to change with different text length files?

No it is always about one second after changing tracks and last for about half of one second. The audio fades out and then back again, it probably never goes to 100% muted, you would not hear it on a track with a second or two of silence at the start.

Using the DIP switches to disable text clears the problem, turning off text via the CD6 'routing' function does not. I also tried routing the text to all of the different options without sucess.

For whateven reason it always occurs when switching tracks with the steering wheel controls though as I mentioned it may not occur if I use the Ipod controls. At first I thought it had to do with ID3 tag length but I have seen it happen on tracks without tags.

The Ipod is a video unit with the latest firmware, the Dice link is only a few weeks old. The car also has BMW assist fitted but not enabled if that makes a difference?

DiceLink had me try a different option using the car dip switches but as far as I can tell it has no effect.

Other than that the unit works as described.

The DIP switches should always be set to OFF for BMW applications.

Hold the iPod in your hand and check if the iPod is accessing the HDD whne you are selecting tracks. The iPod only has a 32mb buffer, so pressing the next track repeatedly could be causing the delay.

If not, I assume the module is defective and needs to be replaced.

No it happens even if it is not accessing the hard drive and with the dip switches in the off position.

Who would I contact for a replacment?

I expect to be in the states again the first week of Nov if that helps.

Tom G. what about my problem with this strange sound?

I responded to your post in #115 of this thread - I don't believe I received an email from you. Can you resend?

Contact me before your trip and we'll make arrangements for an exchange when you arrive in the states.

i´ve sent it again, maybe your e-mail box takes it as spam?

Just received your email - responding.

Hello,

I have a new x3 2007 with a standard aux input at the rear.

I would like to know if I can install the actual dice or dension kit or if I have to wait for an upgrade...

Thanks for your answer

The DICE kit can can installed now - there's no reason to wait. Is your X3 pre-wired for Sirius.

Thanks for yous answer.
No it's not Sirius pre wired. I was worried because of the auxiliarry input...

Tom...DICE Installed. Couple questions...
 

Is the DICE compatable with the newest firmware from apple for the video. It is Version 1.2...

I have a 2005 X5 4.8is with Sirius. I unplugged the CD changer and plugged the $20 "SIRIUS" cable you sent me into the sirius module. Why could I not have used the cable that was already there that was plugged into the CD changer. It was longer and pre-installed. Is it a different cable or something?

Tom

BMW AUX can be retained with the DICE kit, no need to worry.

I wasn't aware you already had the connector preinstalled. If it is not needed, simply contact me by phone or email and accept the item as a return.

is there a difference
 

Is there any difference between the cable you supplied me and the cable that was in the car already running between the Sirius module and the CD changer?

Thanks,

Tom

The BMW version will run also. :thumbup:

I will call you to set up a return...
 

Thanks,

Tom

Tom...Can you help with a couple more things please?
 

I got the kit installed and everything initializes.

Two problems I see...

1) The audio is dominant out of the left side of the car. I have to turn the balance one click from full right for it to sound normal.

2) I can only seem to get the track information into a little .5inch long section of the navigation across the top, not the full lower portion of the Nav like all the pictures show. Can you please advise?

Thanks,

Tom

I'm confused, I thought we were exchanging the module as in your previous post.

I think you have confused me with someone else....
 

I do not need to swap my module, I was going to return the Sirius cable to you as it is already in my car. 2005 X5 4.8is

I just need help now with the two questions above.

Thanks,

Tom

1. I'm not sure why the audio is not balanced. Be sure all Soundcheck and EQ settings are disabled on the iPod before connecting to the DICE kit.

2. You need to set your text as DISC6/TRACK6 for large font on your NAV screen. After your selection, move back to DISC1 for song selection mode.

ICE or Dice?

I do not have nav what kit do I need (2005 X5) ?

Here's the kit you need:

DICE iPod Integration Kit for BMW
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=268

The DICE has replaced the ice>Link in the states.

Called DICE...no luck
 

I guess I will need to arrange for a replacement module too. Tom, what do I need to do? Any chance you can send me a replacement module and dock cable so they cross in the mail or do I need to send the whole kit back? I leave on a long road trip tomorrow night and would sure like DICE with me.

Tom

Yes, but I will need to be contacted by you in order to get the process started. Please contact me by email at [email protected] with your full name and a small description of your problem and we can begin.

you've got mail
 

Talk to you soon,

Tom

OK...so mostly there...
 

Tom,

I received the replacement...it works well. The balance issue is corrected and we are in business. I am now experiencing another bit of frustration as I am getting the "drop out" another gentlemen experienced earlier in this thread...post 117.

After changing tracks with the steering wheel, the volume drops out for a second and then comes back. Did you ever find a fix for that. I hope I do not have another bad module...kinda makes me question the quality of the product...

Your service and response has been fantastic though...

Thoughts?

Tom

What Generation iPod and iPod firmware version are you using?

60 GB video...1.2
 

is 1.2 to blame? Seems like all the info I have gathered here says its OK...

Possibly. Can you revert back to 1.1 to see if the pause is still there? We're seeing the iPod actually having slower seek times with 1.2 firmware.

How does one revert firmware?
 

I cannot seem to figure out how to roll it back.

Tom

There's a couple of ways to do this, do you have a backup of your music?

I have it all on my computer at home...
 

the ipod is full...lots of time to transfer it back..would preer to not have to wipe it, but whatever it takes?

Tom

short test made..
 

I was able to test both the 5G with downgraded 1.1 firmware and back at 1.2 firmware, and a 5.5G with 1.2 firmware on a 2002 M3 w/ NAV with no dropouts or delays.

When you hear the dropout, have the iPod in your hand and see if you can feel the iPod's HDD accessing.

OK I'll see if it is spinning...
 

when I go to lunch.

Tom

HDD not spinning when I hit next...
 

Should it be?

The iPod has only a 32mb buffer, it will access if the next track is pressed multiple times or if the filesizes are large.

Do you have another iPod you can test with to see if you get the same results?

I only have one iPOD but
 

I will look around the office and see who else has one I might try. What did you do to resolve the same symptoms with the other poster...POST 117?

I've already been in contact with him, we are going to have his module exchanged when he arrives in the country.

Yikes, Does this mean I need a second replacement?
 

I am certainly appreciative of your customer service...

Do I need to send this one back too?

Tom

Do you plan to be in the LA/OC area anytime soon? I would like to have your kit datalogged while still installed, we can check on the spot to see if there is an issue with your specific system or not.

Email me directly at [email protected] and we'll make arrangements.

Was Just in LA last week...
 

It will be a couple of months before i am back again. I am not sure how to proceed here. I was very excited about this product and happy to be able to support a board sponsor.

Your customer service has been stellar, but I am not sure how far I am willing to go with this. I am a patient and understanding consumer, but I am not ready to make a special trip North for this.

I suppose it is completely possible that I have received a second bad unit. The replacement fixed my first problem right away, but unfortunately has replaced it with another problem. I was actually glad to hear that someone else was experiencing the same thing.

By the way, the car is a 2005 4.8is and this is the only modification to the vihicle whatsoever. They did put a new TCU in last week at the dealer under a Technical Service Bulletin, but I do not believe that would influence this.

Tom, I am open to suggestions, but would like to get this resolved ASAP. Perhaps we should get DICE to replace the whole kit, I will reinstall everything from the ground up, and we can cross our fingers...

Thoughts?

Tom

Another alternative would be to test your module on both our bench and vehicles to see if we get the same results. Keep in mind that we may experience different results, but will report what we find.

If there is another (closer) person having the same experience, we'll be more than happy to check it out.

Do you want me to send it to you? I will be out of starting tomorrow until Monday.
 

Let me know what to do.

Tom

Please PM me your first/last name so we can bench-test your module if you do not want to have the vehicle datalogged.

PM sent
 

It is not that I dont want my car logged, I just dont want to drive that far...I really just want to get this thing working properly.

Tom

OK some new developments...
 

Now that i have some time in the car with the DICE kit installed...there are a couple other odd things I notice.

When I make a handsfree call, sometimes the DICE will not display the track text until the next time I start the car. Once it even went to some terrible sounding clicking noise...every click on the volume would make a terrible noise and audio could not be heard. I had to switch to sirius to make it stop.

Anyone ever experience these things?

Tom...I am starting to think after some of the things I read on other forums that i am not the first to see some of these issues.

Tom

The forums are not a good indication of how the DICE performs, since people would only post when problems are noted. If you have a perfectly working kit - there's nothing to post. Also, the forums represent only a small percentage of kits that are out there, and there are many people using the kits 100% problem free.

I've emailed you instructions how to return the module and what I need from you so I can test the module myself on both our bench and personal vehicle to see if the same procedures can be replicated.

instructions received...
 

Thanks, I will get it out this afternoon or tomorrow.

Tom

Yes, I've experienced the same problem with an '05 X5 w/o NAV. Sometimes text works, sometimes it doesn't. Receiving a bluetooth handsfree call seems to knock out the text. I've also experienced that wierd clicking noise. I've tried selecting CD6 and then track 4 but it doesn't do any good.

I get the sense that this is a very buggy product.

This could be a firmware issue. Contact me at [email protected] and we'll troubleshoot. Also, NAV applications need to be on DISC6/TRACK6.

Tom...any news on the module I sent you...
 

The gent you just responded to seems to be seeing some similar events. Have you had a chance to bench test my unit?

Thanks,

Tom

Tom, we are testing tomorrow morning. Please contact me via email for as faster response.

Firmware upgradeability
 

I live in Europe (Sweden) and are a bit concerned about the unability to upgrade firmware by the end user. To ship a unit back and forth to US will cost me a fortune. Is there any plans to make the DICE end user upgradeable, in case i run into some unique problems ???
Any firmware upgrades planned soon for me to concider before i order a kit (I love what I've seen sofar about the functionality)

Updating is performed through DICE only, if there is a feature or bug fix that is released - we can send you a replacement module and have you send back your old module so you are not without music.

I recently purchased a DICE kit for my 2002 BMW X5. I am attempting to install it myself and I had a few questions. First of all, which switches on the DICE module should be on and which should be off. There are four switches, and I am not sure which to activate. Second, I have sound coming from my radio, however I cannot get the ID3 text to appear, It usually shows ( vol: 68 or **) and I cannot change songs on both the radio module and my steering wheel. Any suggestions on what I can do would be greatly appreciated.

The VOL:68 means you're in AUX mode. Press the left arrow one time and press CD1 to exit that mode.

All DIP switches on the DICE module should be set to the OFF position.

I went back and turned off all the DIP switches. I do not get the vol 68 anymore, instead I get **. Also, I toggled through all the Cds, CD1, cD2, CD3, CD4, CD5, CD6 and I get the same song playing and no text and it does not change the song. By the way, I do not have nav or dsp. The module initalizes very quickly and begins right when I connect the ipod. The sound is clear. Any suggestions?

You've changed the configuration settings - the system needs to be reinitialized:

Here's what I recommend:

1. Disconnect iPod from cable
2. Remove battery cables, negative first
3. Touch battery cable terminals together (away from battery) for +5 seconds, a small spark is normal as this is stored power draining from the system.
4. Allow cables to remain disconnected for about 5-7 minutes
5. Reconnect battery cables onto battery, negative last.
6. Reboot iPod by pressing on MENU and CENTER buttons for +5 seconds and then reconnecting to the DICE cable after the reboot process is completed.

Afterwards, reactivate text by moving to DISC6/TRACK 3 or 4 for Business CD or DISC6/TRACK6 for Navigation. Be sure to return back to CD1 after text is selected.

this also happens to mine

Can you elaborate on the problem a bit more? For a faster reply, please contact me directly at [email protected]. I will also need to know the year of your X5 and what Generation iPod and iPod firmware you are running.

when I skip to next track the volume dips slightly at the start of the track

This happens also to me, at the beginning of every track.
(X5 3.0d, Nav w/o DSP, Video iPod 60 MB Firmware 1.2)

Another problem with the text display: it works perfectly as long as there are no special characters (Spanish, Polish, Russian etc. all supported by my iPod) in the track title, artist name, CD title. When such a track is being played, the text in the navscreen shows the previous track, sometimes with a "_" as the first character. Later when a track without special characters is played the text display is working correctly again.

Any suggestions?

Pawel

The DICE setup supports languages which use the Roman alphabet, and will substitute letters not recognized with symbols.

I'm still missing your iPod Generation and firmware version.

Tom,
This is obvious. My question was, if this is normal that DICE shows the text belonging to the previously played track, just with some symbols inserted?
Thanks,
Pawel

Tom,

I reinstalled my dice and it is working fine. I can control on the steering wheel and through the radio module. The sound is good. However, I cannot get the track text to show up. I get detached when I disconnect it, init when I reconnect it, and sometimes I will get playlist. Whenever I try to get the track text to appear, I get * * . I have a 30 gig video ipod with 1.2 firmware. Thanks in advance.

I have the same problem. The text is "here today, gone tomorrow". Seems to have a mind of its own. I have noticed two things:

1. When the engine is restarted after being off for several hours, the text always appears.

2. If I make or receive a bluetooth call while listening to the iPod, the text disappears and there is no way to bring it back other than turning off the engine for several hours. To somewhat remedy this situation, I always switch the source from DICE to tuner (either AM or FM) before making a Bluetooth call. After the call, I switch the source back to the DICE. If I follow that protocol, then I don't lose text.

As info, I have a 2005 X5 with Assist. I do NOT have NAV or DSP. I have an 80 Gig Video iPod.

I will try and let the car sit for a while and then restart it. I have an 02, no bluetooth, nav, or dsp.

Pawel,

You can try removing/reconnecting the battery cables to reinitialize the system and reboot the iPod. If the kit wasn't initialized properly - it can cause behavior such as this.

Business CD or Navigation system?

Brad,

Contact me directly when you have a chance, I'll need some info on the DICE module.

It is a business cd with no dsp. I disconnected the module for about five minutes and then plugged it back in, but that did not work. Any suggestions?

Let's try with a battery disconnect:

1. Disconnect iPod from cable
2. Remove battery cables, negative first
3. Touch battery cable terminals together (away from battery) for +5 seconds, a small spark is normal as this is stored power draining from the system.
4. Allow cables to remain disconnected for about 5-7 minutes
5. Reconnect battery cables onto battery, negative last.
6. Reboot iPod by pressing on MENU and CENTER buttons for +5 seconds and then reconnecting to the DICE cable after the reboot process is completed.

Let me know if these steps correct the problem.

I did these steps again this morning, and it did not work. The only text that appears is, init, detached, and playlist.

If the iPod is asleep - this message will appear. Remove the iPod, turn it on and reconnect to the DICE after it is finished booting up.

I tried to do this, and it did not work. However, I can now get album, sel:ipod, and sel:aux. Not sure what is up, any other suggestions?

DISC1 is song selection within a Playlist and DISC2 is Playlist selection. From your description, it sounds like you are in DISC3 (Album Selection) and DISC5 (iPod/AUX selection).

I know...It is just funny hwo the text appears for all these but the song titles will not appear, just * *.

The * * means the DICE cannot read the iPod - try rebooting the iPod and reconnecting thereafter.

I have tried the reset, the ipod works fine with the car, all the controls, sound, etc.. Is this a problem with my frimware, 1.2. I have also tried an video ipod with 1.1v frimware and I get the same result.

It shouldn't be - your firmware is up to date. can you verify the DIP switches on the DICE module are set to the OFF position?