RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 28

bcredliner · #**271** 04-25-2020, 03:50 PM

Here's three more recent studies:
https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/ris...searcher-shows

https://drexel.edu/now/archive/2014/...loyment-Study/

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/explai...d-coronavirus/

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/explai...d-coronavirus/

I never challenged your premise. I agree with it and said so four or five hundred pages ago. I challenged the number of deaths per 1%. Every study should be challenged and there is alway another study that came to a different conclusion. We have different opinions--so what, no reason for bashing rhetoric.

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bcredliner · #**272** 04-25-2020, 05:48 PM

My wife just came back from doing Saturday grocery shopping. All but about 20% of the people have taken the opening of businesses to mean it is the all clear and all the guidelines are gone. Parking lots are full. Traffic is back to normal. Hope it is different wherever everyone else lives.

EODguy · #**273** 04-26-2020, 01:00 AM

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution, but it is in no way saying that happiness is lower than liberty and that liberty has less value than life and some people think it's an either or type of thing but it is not.

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bcredliner · #**274** 04-27-2020, 02:42 PM

On Friday my brother-in-law died of the virus. He had been very carefully following the shelter in place and guidelines. My sister took him to the hospital for an unrelated problem where he was tested because he had a fever. Several days later the hospital called to tell him he tested positive. A few days later he started having breathing problems. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital. Three days later he was under hospice care. During the hospital stay and hospice she wasn't no allowed to be with him. My sister is sheltered in place until she can be tested today. It is very likely she will test positive. She is all alone with her grief and anxiety in their home of 57 years. Her son lives nearby. He can't hold her or enter the house.

The funeral is limited to 10 people, direct family only. Funeral must be at the grave site only. Jim was one of my mentors, he was wise, inspirational and had a wonderful dry sense of humor, A 6 foot 3 big strong in ever way man. She plans to have a celebration of life in the summer if the virus allows it.

Somewhere, someone infected him. This is what happens when individuals decide their wants or needs are more important than others, that their liberty entitles then to infringe on the liberty of others. Over 60 percent of the population believe it is too soon to open the country which likely means at least 60 percent have been able to find a way to adhere to the guidelines.

As one person said here ---you know where I can stick my opinions. You can all stick your opinions and selfish or twisted view of your rights or liberty over that of others, or you have to work regardless of the consequences to others--and, of course, up your ass where the sun don't shine. Especially those that tell me I am not listening to their point of view, try to make it sound like I am the only one that does not share their opinions or I have a screw loose.

I honestly hope no one else anywhere experiences what my sister is. Based just the few here it is certain they will.

Happy · #**275** 04-27-2020, 03:44 PM

My condolences to your family. I pray that recovery comes quickly.

Perrier · #**276** 04-27-2020, 04:08 PM

My sincere condolences, bcredliner.

I hope we can all go forward with a sense of responsibility towards the community as a whole. Our actions have a wider impact.

zonefive · #**277** 04-27-2020, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Maybe the problem is not the name of the disease but the name of the citizens? "Chinese Americans." They are just Americans to me. But so is every other citizen to me. The racists are going to be racist regardless.

Agree with much of the above. Trump/Pence/etc should just let the Fauci, other doctors, epidemiologists, etc handle all the press conferences. Irritates me to no end when Pence holds up "Trump's list of 15 things to do" to stop the spread of the virus. Too bad the democrats are going to nominate someone to lose in November.

But that's for another thread.

Yes, complacency was referring to disbanding the pandemic response team among other things.

If Fauci knew a damn thing about how his "recommendations" were affecting the economy, and therefore human suffering and death due to non-coronavirus causes, this would be a great idea.

zonefive · #**278** 04-27-2020, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

On Friday my brother-in-law died of the virus. He had been very carefully following the shelter in place and guidelines. My sister took him to the hospital for an unrelated problem where he was tested because he had a fever. Several days later the hospital called to tell him he tested positive. A few days later he started having breathing problems. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital. Three days later he was under hospice care. During the hospital stay and hospice she wasn't no allowed to be with him. My sister is sheltered in place until she can be tested today. It is very likely she will test positive. She is all alone with her grief and anxiety in their home of 57 years. Her son lives nearby. He can't hold her or enter the house.

The funeral is limited to 10 people, direct family only. Funeral must be at the grave site only. Jim was one of my mentors, he was wise, inspirational and had a wonderful dry sense of humor, A 6 foot 3 big strong in ever way man. She plans to have a celebration of life in the summer if the virus allows it.

Somewhere, someone infected him. This is what happens when individuals decide their wants or needs are more important than others, that their liberty entitles then to infringe on the liberty of others. Over 60 percent of the population believe it is too soon to open the country which likely means at least 60 percent have been able to find a way to adhere to the guidelines.

As one person said here ---you know where I can stick my opinions. You can all stick your opinions and selfish or twisted view of your rights or liberty over that of others, or you have to work regardless of the consequences to others--and, of course, up your ass where the sun don't shine. Especially those that tell me I am not listening to their point of view, try to make it sound like I am the only one that does not share their opinions or I have a screw loose.

I honestly hope no one else anywhere experiences what my sister is. Based just the few here it is certain they will.

So someone infected him who wasn't abiding by social distancing or other government mandates? How do you know this?

You don't. You are not thinking clearly.

crystalworks · #**279** 04-27-2020, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zonefive

If Fauci knew a damn thing about how his "recommendations" were affecting the economy, and therefore human suffering and death due to non-coronavirus causes, this would be a great idea.

Oh, I agree. Fauci is not an economist. And I made the case for tangential deaths a page or two ago. So I'm with you there. The health experts AND economic experts should talk in the press conferences. Trump isn't an expert on either subject.

EODguy · #**280** 04-28-2020, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcredliner

On Friday my brother-in-law died of the virus. He had been very carefully following the shelter in place and guidelines. My sister took him to the hospital for an unrelated problem where he was tested because he had a fever. Several days later the hospital called to tell him he tested positive. A few days later he started having breathing problems. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital. Three days later he was under hospice care. During the hospital stay and hospice she wasn't no allowed to be with him. My sister is sheltered in place until she can be tested today. It is very likely she will test positive. She is all alone with her grief and anxiety in their home of 57 years. Her son lives nearby. He can't hold her or enter the house.

The funeral is limited to 10 people, direct family only. Funeral must be at the grave site only. Jim was one of my mentors, he was wise, inspirational and had a wonderful dry sense of humor, A 6 foot 3 big strong in ever way man. She plans to have a celebration of life in the summer if the virus allows it.

Somewhere, someone infected him. This is what happens when individuals decide their wants or needs are more important than others, that their liberty entitles then to infringe on the liberty of others. Over 60 percent of the population believe it is too soon to open the country which likely means at least 60 percent have been able to find a way to adhere to the guidelines.

As one person said here ---you know where I can stick my opinions. You can all stick your opinions and selfish or twisted view of your rights or liberty over that of others, or you have to work regardless of the consequences to others--and, of course, up your ass where the sun don't shine. Especially those that tell me I am not listening to their point of view, try to make it sound like I am the only one that does not share their opinions or I have a screw loose.

I honestly hope no one else anywhere experiences what my sister is. Based just the few here it is certain they will.

Sorry about your brother-in-law BC, if the shelter in place guidelines and so on were working then how did he get infected? Faulty masks being sold in that area?

Shouldn't the PPE provide protection when out getting essentials no matter if someone was infected and at the same store?

Genuinely curious as to the PPE and distancing when out of the house people are using/going by and possible transmission vector.

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