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Old 03-16-2020, 01:29 PM
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RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need

I read the following article from Apple's News on my phone this weekend. Source is legit.

Please read through and properly prepare yourselve and your loved ones to fight this virus outbreak.

"In the global fight against COVID-19, a chemistry professor has confirmed hand washing with soap is the best thing we can do.
By now, our hands are raw with washing and we’ve sung Happy Birthday more times in the last week than in our entire childhood. We know coronavirus can infect us if we touch a surface where it is active then touch our face. But as frightening and uncertain as the pandemic feels, at least one thing is reassuring: washing our hands kills the virus.
According to Palli Thordarson – a chemistry professor at the University of New South Wales, Sydney – disinfectants, liquids, wipes, gels and creams containing alcohol are all useful at getting rid of viruses but they are not quite as good as your trusty bar of soap.
So why does it work so well? In a piece Thordarson wrote for the Guardian, he explains it’s because ‘the virus is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer. Soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and dies – or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive.’
Earlier this week, a tweet of his went viral after he explained why the humble bar of soap and water is so effective. Here are some of his top tips from it:
Soap is best
Many antibacterial products are basically just an expensive version of soap in terms of how they act on viruses. Soap is the best but alcohol wipes are good when soap is not practical or handy
Don’t write off alcohol-based sanitiser
When there is no soap to hand, alcohol-based sanitisers should still be used
Cover your coughs and sneezes
When you cough, or especially when you sneeze, tiny droplets from the airways can fly up to 10 meters (30 ft)! The larger ones are thought to be main coronavirus carriers and they can go at least 2 m (7 ft). Thus – cover your coughs and sneezes, people!
Give it a good rub
The skin is quite rough and wrinkly which is why you do need a fair amount of rubbing and soaking to ensure the soap reaches every crook and nanny on the skin surface that could be hiding active viruses.
Don’t waste your booze
You need a fairly high concentration (maybe +60%) of the alcohol to get a rapid dissolution of the virus. Vodka or whiskey (usually 40% ethanol), will not dissolve the virus as quickly. Overall alcohol is not quite as good as soap at this task.
Get some household bleach
We’ve also heard how important it is to disinfect frequently touched surfaces in our homes and the good news is Juan Leon, an environmental health scientist at Emory University, says it is possible for us to tackle coronavirus with bleach. According to Leon, past studies show common household disinfectants, including soap or a diluted bleach solution, can deactivate coronaviruses on indoor surfaces. However, in a piece for Sciencemag.org, his colleague Julia Silva Sobolik says we shouldn’t be overzealous when it comes to disinfectant as over-exposure can cause respiratory problems."

Best of Luck to everyone and stay healthy and safe!
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Old 03-19-2020, 05:06 AM
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While Alcohol is not as good as soap for disinfecting it is far superior in disremembering...
3 parts scotch, 1 part rocks-sing "let's get it on" twice and bingo-virus what virus?
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meanwhile here in Wash DC the Washing Compost has a death chart updated every 15 mins...
Mapping the China Wuhan Flu https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...w-coronavirus/
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:31 PM
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That's good information Stephen. Virus knows no boundaries. It may have originated from China, but it's a global entity now. Giving it a regional name just fans the flames of racial profiling.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/who-...ese-virus.html
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It's the Wuhan flu-coronavirus to me as that's what it started as. Any issues with racial profiling were going to be there no matter what you call it. Everyone above the age of 10 knows where it originated.

Thanks for the map Stephen. Been using this one: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I know this is going to sound callous, but the world has been in need of a pandemic for awhile now, if for nothing else to highlight our complacency. Depending on which stats you reference the annual flu season kills 600,000+ yearly. Not sure where this caronavirus wiil ultimate end up statistically but it sure has highlighted our lack of preparedness (both domestically and abroad) and ability to handle such an outbreak. There's no money in it. My family and I just hope it doesn't seriously affect anyone within 3 or 4 points of contact of us. And I of course hope the same for all the Xoutpost community.
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It's the Wuhan flu-coronavirus to me as that's what it started as. Any issues with racial profiling were going to be there no matter what you call it. Everyone above the age of 10 knows where it originated.

Thanks for the map Stephen. Been using this one: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I know this is going to sound callous, but the world has been in need of a pandemic for awhile now, if for nothing else to highlight our complacency. Depending on which stats you reference the annual flu season kills 600,000+ yearly. Not sure where this caronavirus wiil ultimate end up statistically but it sure has highlighted our lack of preparedness (both domestically and abroad) and ability to handle such an outbreak. There's no money in it. My family and I just hope it doesn't seriously affect anyone within 3 or 4 points of contact of us. And I of course hope the same for all the Xoutpost community.
Needed the pandemic to pop the debt bubble, trigger a correction in valuations, and get back to a reasonable gold-backed currency.

Global stock and bond markets have seen $25 trillion of paper wealth erased in the last month.
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Old 03-19-2020, 04:59 PM
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Needed the pandemic to pop the debt bubble, trigger a correction in valuations, and get back to a reasonable gold-backed currency.
I was also going to touch on the economic implications but figured I'd sound even more callous. I agree, the equities bubble was just looking for something to correct and the virus has been the pin to burst it. No problem, we'll just print more money.

Not sure it's going to do anything for the debt bubble though. Just destroy the dollar and trigger inflation? Who knows. Will depend how long this thing plays out.
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That's good information Stephen. Virus knows no boundaries. It may have originated from China, but it's a global entity now. Giving it a regional name just fans the flames of racial profiling.



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/who-...ese-virus.html
I have to say that Chinese isn't a race and being completely serious virus and bacterial outbreaks take the name of where they come from or where they 1st truly come to the attention of health professionals or the population.

Most every well known outbreak has followed that rule. Such as Ebola, Marburg, Legionnaires, Lyme disease (Lyme Connecticut) and Spanish flu. Most others are named due to specie of common carrier such as: Swine flu, Bird flu, etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...emic-h1n1.html

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/about.html

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/marburg/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/legionella/about/history.html

Truth is truth but these days so much information is difficult to find solely due to the large amount of data that has to be reviewed.

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The point is that is not necessary to tie the virus to a country. It doesn't matter what was done in the past. It's an invitation to those that will twist that into racist comments and behavior toward Chinese Americans.

There is no disease that randomly kills that is a good thing.

There is so much misinformation and self serving spins I suggest the only place one should rely on is the information put out by the CDC, in particular the website.

I don't see the complacency unless it is responding with too little too late. I don't know if it is ignorance, stupidity or self serving to disband a team of experts that was dedicated to monitoring the globe and responding to potential pandemic diseases. Pretty hard to be prepared when there is no early warning system and preparedness watchdogs. We are behind the curve and it is likely we will continue to be. When you have political leadership directing the experts many will become 'political experts' or be taken out of the loop. Once an expert becomes political the result is confusion and over and under reaction by the public----buying three grocery carts of toilet paper or still going on spring break or bar hopping.


There is quite a difference, assuming a correction was needed at this particular time, between a market correction and what this event will cause. National debt will increase as will personal debt. Unemployment rates will quickly and drastically increase. Even if it is over soon the impact will extend far beyond the 'all clear.'

Upside is for those of us that have a BMW because we like to drive it gas is really getting cheap. Unfortunately there is no place to go or we shouldn't go the places we can.
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The point is that is not necessary to tie the virus to a country. It doesn't matter what was done in the past. It's an invitation to those that will twist that into racist comments and behavior toward Chinese Americans.
I don't seem to remember people being less racist during the Ebola outbreak even when there were patients in the USA and it's disingenuous to make that assumption now.



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