RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need

bcredliner · #1 05-19-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

Wow....

Not one thought spared as to WHY he pled guilty (FBI threats to go after his family) and not even a raised eyebrow over the agents own words... (goal? investigate or get him to lie?) and how even 1 of the 2 interviewing agents said Flynn wasn't trying to lie but couldn't remember all of the details but he was overruled by the other interviewer Peter Strzok and that it was intentional...
There are very few rules of interrogation. As an example you can lie to the suspect, try to trap them in a lie, mislead them about how much or little you know about the potential crime. Flynn had been mirandized so if he didn't already know it was explained he didn't have to say a word and his attorney could be present. If one unintentionally breaks the law they still broke the law.

I admit it's an opinion piece but HOW disingenuous can you be to completely ignore the facts that were stated to include what's above and just say it's opinion so it means nothing. Disingenuous? Not nice. didn't ignore your post. I just pointed out his opinion is not factual,

I would also remind folks that Judge Sullivan was made comments in this case before showing that he was not being impartial to Flynn in court previously and apologized for it. It really doesn't matter what the judge said since Flynn and his attorney confessed to the crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/u...entencing.html

A similar example would be:

Police think that you committed a crime but aren't sure what. During the investigation they don't find anything one way or the other and come talk to you and ask, "Did you drive over the speed limit 27 days ago or was it 25 days ago?" You not knowing they found a tape of you speeding 29 days ago and thinking I did speed but probably not more than 5-7mph say " I was speeding a little but it was 25 days ago."

Congratulations! You have committed what is known as a process crime if speaking to a federal agent or a police officer doing any kind of investigation.

Now they (investigators) say we are using this process "crime" to expand our investigation and we are going to be using similar methods as we have a talk with your family.... Unless, you admit that gave us the wrong information...

You suck it up and say yep I told you the wrong information (thereby meeting their agreement) protecting your family and then you hire lawyers to get the court to see that what really happened wasn't some intentional attempt to cover up speeding and once the truth came out due to notes from the investigators directly that you didn't do it intentionally and they had no reason to even begin their investigation you withdrawal your plea and the investigators bosses back it up saying it was shady AF. But now the judge says he wants you charged for your coerced plea being "perjury"....

Yeah, that seems totally legit!!

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-l...the-venom-out/

As was pointed out for the past few years "we must trust the system and the investigators" but apparently only if they are on the side someone is supporting or else it's all BS, yet when investigators and the system say that there were mistakes made it's now "BS" to trust the system or the investigators are doing...

Hello hypocrites!!

Every American should understand that one miscarriage of justice used against someone who you dislike, hate or disagree with just means that when the worm turns it will be your turn. My comments have nothing to do with politics. I don't like or dislike Flynn. Just posting the facts.

We've seen that happen before and it ONLY cost an estimated 85 million lives.....

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. ~ Martin Niemöller

Niemöller’s belief was that Germans had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people and he spent the last 7 years of the war in a nazi concentration camp for finally standing up against the nazi's.

People that want a society where they support shit like this due to someone being part of an opposing group should be called out for it, because they are no better than nazi's, klansmen or supporters of the pogroms that happened worldwide and that they would even keep up support for such tells you that this can only end in bloodshed if it continues.

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So consider yourself called out and posts of disagreement to you are standing up.

EODguy · #2 05-20-2020, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

So consider yourself called out and posts of disagreement to you are standing up.

So consider yourself uninformed. Flynn wasn't mirandized and if you had read the 302's you would see zero reference to him being read his Rights. Might actually be there but since the original actual 1st 302 was lost so the FBI had Lisa Page type up a record of the 302 as was recreated by Peter Strzok.

What you have attempted to say in your post lacks the understanding that if I am a cop investigating a case like someone burnt their property and used it as a means to collect insurance payments (arson) and I came to your office and said "Do you know if that guy down the road set the fire intentionally?"

And to this you say NO... remember that you were NOT read your Rights. Do you know why? Because the investigation is trying to bring a case against someone else, but if you lied about it... you would be open for a charge of (obstruction of justice and making a false statement) all without being mirandized.

A case is just like a house... it has to have a good foundation or there's no hope that everything will stay plum and true by the time you put a roof on. Conversely having a super strong foundation and construction of walls won't mean shit if you get a roof put on that is poorly constructed, since wind and rain will destroy even the good work below.

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bcredliner · #3 05-20-2020, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

So consider yourself uninformed. Flynn wasn't mirandized and if you had read the 302's you would see zero reference to him being read his Rights. Might actually be there but since the original actual 1st 302 was lost so the FBI had Lisa Page type up a record of the 302 as was recreated by Peter Strzok.

What you have attempted to say in your post lacks the understanding that if I am a cop investigating a case like someone burnt their property and used it as a means to collect insurance payments (arson) and I came to your office and said "Do you know if that guy down the road set the fire intentionally?"

And to this you say NO... remember that you were NOT read your Rights. Do you know why? Because the investigation is trying to bring a case against someone else, but if you lied about it... you would be open for a charge of (obstruction of justice and making a false statement) all without being mirandized.

A case is just like a house... it has to have a good foundation or there's no hope that everything will stay plum and true by the time you put a roof on. Conversely having a super strong foundation and construction of walls won't mean shit if you get a roof put on that is poorly constructed, since wind and rain will destroy even the good work below.

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Saying you don't know when you do can be obstruction. If the investigation uncovered that you did, that is when one would be mirandized if the police decided to arrest the neighbor. At that point the neighbor still has the option to plead guilty, not guilty, or make a deal before court.

Flynn confessed twice. Would you confess if you weren't guilty?

EODguy · #4 05-20-2020, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

Would you confess if you weren't guilty?

If the investigators had just railroaded me and now say they are going to "take a look" at those I love?

Hell yes I would plead guilty and then I would do my best to prove my case in court and that I had to take the deal offered by rogue agents (that's why he hired lawyers, duh) I've risked my life for 325 million people I don't know, so what do you think I would do for the ones I love? Hell what do suspect I would do to someone who made a threat like that (if I felt even a tiny chance of success)?

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Maruzo · #5 05-20-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

If the investigators had just railroaded me and now say they are going to "take a look" at those I love?

Hell yes I would plead guilty and then I would do my best to prove my case in court and that I had to take the deal offered by rogue agents (that's why he hired lawyers, duh) I've risked my life for 325 million people I don't know, so what do you think I would do for the ones I love? Hell what do suspect I would do to someone who made a threat like that (if I felt even a tiny chance of success)?

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And by the way, i heard Trump is taking Hydroxychloroquine to ward off the effects of Covid-19. I don't know if it's wise to do so. Let's hope his personal experiment bears some fruit!

Come on EOD, it's not that hard. Don't just post a satisfying retort, try to provide some helpful content in defeating this pandemic.

bcredliner · #6 05-20-2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

If the investigators had just railroaded me and now say they are going to "take a look" at those I love?

Hell yes I would plead guilty and then I would do my best to prove my case in court and that I had to take the deal offered by rogue agents (that's why he hired lawyers, duh) I've risked my life for 325 million people I don't know, so what do you think I would do for the ones I love? Hell what do suspect I would do to someone who made a threat like that (if I felt even a tiny chance of success)?

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The key is Flynn did not fight his confession in court. He again confessed he was guilty as did his attorney. He didn't fight at all. He could have brought up the supposed threat before he was sentenced which would have protected his loved ones and then retracted his confession but he didn't.

Maruzo · #7 05-20-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

The key is Flynn did not fight his confession in court. He again confessed he was guilty as did his attorney. He didn't fight at all. He could have brought up the supposed threat before he was sentenced which would have protected his loved ones and then retracted his confession but he didn't.

And I also heard that the GOP has a different take on how much the federal government should pump into the economy to prop it back up.

Democrats want to put in 2 trillion or more to make sure we still have an economy to go back to as the states begin to ease lock downs and reopen their own economy.

Here's the source:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000474957038

StephenVA · #8 05-20-2020, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

If the investigators had just railroaded me and now say they are going to "take a look" at those I love?

Hell yes I would plead guilty and then I would do my best to prove my case in court and that I had to take the deal offered by rogue agents (that's why he hired lawyers, duh)......Hell what do suspect I would do to someone who made a threat like that (if I felt even a tiny chance of success)?
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You would spend every $$ to defend yourself and then when faced with financial and personal disaster, you and anyone else would say enough. When you have the Gov against you, your dead as they can print money. This is why the burden of poof is on the prosecution, not the defendant. Flynn when faced with leaving his family without any financial future allowed his then attorney to throw in the towel. His new attorney who has won against these out of control Gov lawyers before, knew the tactics used, the buttons that were pushed and interesting enough knew what might be in the file case that they did not release to the defense and withheld from the court. All of which was denied by the same Gov attorneys. Soon came the counter lawsuits and rulings forcing the Gov to open their files to the court. Guess what? No case.....
Flynn's bad luck all started when he chose to disagree with the O' admin. Then all the forces of the Gov hit. Can you say Rail Road?...

Now back to our Red Death Flu responses, OPEN UP the businesses so i can get a hair cut and a cheese steak! Oh how about a Phily Pork sub form Tony Luke's!!!!

Maruzo · #9 05-20-2020, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by StephenVA

You would spend every $$ to defend yourself and then when faced with financial and personal disaster, you and anyone else would say enough. When you have the Gov against you, your dead as they can print money. This is why the burden of poof is on the prosecution, not the defendant. Flynn when faced with leaving his family without any financial future allowed his then attorney to throw in the towel. His new attorney who has won against these out of control Gov lawyers before, knew the tactics used, the buttons that were pushed and interesting enough knew what might be in the file case that they did not release to the defense and withheld from the court. All of which was denied by the same Gov attorneys. Soon came the counter lawsuits and rulings forcing the Gov to open their files to the court. Guess what? No case.....
Flynn's bad luck all started when he chose to disagree with the O' admin. Then all the forces of the Gov hit. Can you say Rail Road?...

Now back to our Red Death Flu responses, OPEN UP the businesses so i can get a hair cut and a cheese steak! Oh how about a Phily Pork sub form Tony Luke's!!!!

One point on the government printing money:

Government borrows the 3 trillion that the Congress is thinking of pumping into the economy. Treasury bonds are issued to the genenral public and foreign investors. These people buy up the bonds and the government pays interest and eventually the principals in 5, 10 years.

So in the short term we do not have to face the consequence of borrowing such a huge amount of money to stimulate the sagging economy.

But eventually we will have to payoff this huge debt, or the future generation
will have to.

All the financial experts and economists agree that this short term borrowing is a must.

We need to make sure our economy is still there for us to save.

bcredliner · #10 05-20-2020, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

One point on the government printing money:

Government borrows the 3 trillion that the Congress is thinking of pumping into the economy. Treasury bonds are issued to the genenral public and foreign investors. These people buy up the bonds and the government pays interest and eventually the principals in 5, 10 years.

So in the short term we do not have to face the consequence of borrowing such a huge amount of money to stimulate the sagging economy.

But eventually we will have to payoff this huge debt, or the future generation
will have to.

All the financial experts and economists agree that this short term borrowing is a must.

We need to make sure our economy is still there for us to save.

And do whatever is possible to help those in need.