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Old 05-05-2006, 08:44 AM
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Article on MSN about the Admax:
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"Anybody who thinks the death penalty was more punishment than this doesn't know what it's like to live completely alone for the rest of your life," Kleinman said. "If they really wanted to punish him, the death penalty might have made sense politically, but spending the rest of his life in the [Admax] is about the worst you could do to him."
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Old 05-05-2006, 11:48 AM
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I see four angles on the sentence: Justice, Revenge, Politics and Deterrence.

The DP addresses revenge and arguably justice. IMO, there can be no justice served by any type of sentence in this case. What the DP doesn't achieve is deterrence. The DP will not deter people who are not afraid to die and glorify a death for their cause. It will only motivate them. Judging from the descriptions above, life imprisonment in a hell hole is more likely to be a deterrent.

Politically, you can't win either way.
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Every study into crime prevention that has ever been done has concluded that there is no deterrent for the crime of murder. That is because rational people do not commit murder.

If the government announced tomorrow that murder was now legal and there would be no punishment, how many people would you go out and kill? If you are a normal human being, then your answer is probably zero. That is because normal people decide our actions mostly based on what we think is right and wrong, not because of the punishment.

Anyone who is messed up enough to take another life is not going to be swayed by the extremely small different between getting life in prison or the death penalty. I'm pretty sure either one is enough of a deterrent. The problem is that the murderer does not think they will get caught.

Take a look at the list of countries that have the death penalty, and then look at the list of countries with the highest or lowest murder rates. Then tell me if you think the death penalty helps to prevent murder. If anything, it sets a rather poor example for society.
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But this is quite a different kettle of fish. You are talking about murder for monetary or personal reasons - crimes of passion or greed. I'm talking about murder (or terrorism) for political reasons - crimes that by nature require planning a forethought. If they must think to plan their crime, they just might think about the consequences at the same time.

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Then tell me if you think the death penalty helps to prevent murder
Actually, I said the opposite. I don't think DP is a deterent. And as far as the stats for countries that don't have the DP, don't confuse cause with effect. They may not want the DP because their crime stats are good, not the other way around.
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Old 05-05-2006, 12:51 PM
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would I be out of order saying he should get a good kicking!
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:09 PM
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would I be out of order saying he should get a good kicking!
No, but you would need to take a number and wait patiently for your turn.

Seriously, there's more at stake here than personal satisfaction.
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Old 05-05-2006, 02:34 PM
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haha, reminds me of the scene in Airplane where the people line up to hit the chick.
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if we could choose the type of punishment, give me pliers and a blowtorch and i'ma get medieval on his ass, a la Marsellus Wallace. I'll also need some sewing needles, toothpicks, and a pool stick. That would be more than personal satisfaction; it would be making him feel everything those poor souls in the twin towers felt, and then some.
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Old 05-06-2006, 07:55 AM
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I think he should be placed at Rikers Island before, transferring.

If he was part of the general population, I bet he would get the treatment he deserves!
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