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'Mass Murder' Foiled
Sorry, Eric, it's events like this that make me believe the President is right, and you are wrong. The last paragraph sums it up nicely... REVIEW & OUTLOOK 'Mass Murder' Foiled A terror plot is exposed by the policies many American liberals oppose. Friday, August 11, 2006 12:01 a.m. Americans went to work yesterday to news of another astonishing terror plot against U.S. airlines, only this time the response was grateful relief. British authorities had busted the "very sophisticated" plan "to commit mass murder" and arrested 20-plus British-Pakistani suspects. As we approach the fifth anniversary of 9/11 without another major attack on U.S. soil, now is the right moment to consider the policies that have protected us--and those in public life who have fought those policies nearly every step of the way. It's not as if the "Islamic fascists"--to borrow President Bush's description yesterday--haven't been trying to hit us. They took more than 50 lives last year in London with the "7/7" subway bombings. There was the catastrophic attack in Madrid the year before that left nearly 200 dead. But there have also been successes. Some have been publicized, such as a foiled plot to poison Britain's food supply with ricin. But undoubtedly many have not, because authorities don't want to compromise sources and methods, or because the would-be terrorists have been captured or killed before they could carry out their plans. In this case the diabolical scheme was to smuggle innocent-looking liquid explosive components and detonators onto planes. They could then be assembled onboard and exploded, perhaps over cities for maximum horror. Multiply the passenger load of a 747 by, say, 10 airliners, and this attack could have killed more people than 9/11. We don't yet know how the plot was foiled, but surely part of the explanation was crack surveillance work by British authorities. "This wasn't supposed to happen today," a U.S. official told the Washington Post of the arrests and terror alert. "It was supposed to happen several days from now. We hear the British lost track of one or two guys. They had to move." Meanwhile, British antiterrorism chief Peter Clarke said at a news conference that the plot was foiled because "a large number of people" had been under surveillance, with police monitoring "spending, travel and communications." Let's emphasize that again: The plot was foiled because a large number of people were under surveillance concerning their spending, travel and communications. Which leads us to wonder if Scotland Yard would have succeeded if the ACLU or the New York Times had first learned the details of such surveillance programs. And almost on political cue yesterday, Members of the Congressional Democratic leadership were using the occasion to suggest that the U.S. is actually more vulnerable today despite this antiterror success. Harry Reid, who's bidding to run the Senate as Majority Leader, saw it as one more opportunity to insist that "the Iraq war has diverted our focus and more than $300 billion in resources from the war on terrorism and has created a rallying cry for international terrorists." Ted Kennedy chimed in that "it is clear that our misguided policies are making America more hated in the world and making the war on terrorism harder to win." Mr. Kennedy somehow overlooked that the foiled plan was nearly identical to the "Bojinka" plot led by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to blow up airliners over the Pacific Ocean in 1995. Did the Clinton Administration's "misguided policies" invite that plot? And if the Iraq war is a diversion and provocation, just what policies would Senators Reid and Kennedy have us "focus" on? Surveillance? Hmmm. Democrats and their media allies screamed bloody murder last year when it was leaked that the government was monitoring some communications outside the context of a law known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. FISA wasn't designed for, nor does it forbid, the timely exploitation of what are often anonymous phone numbers, and the calls monitored had at least one overseas connection. But Mr. Reid labeled such surveillance "illegal" and an "NSA domestic spying program." Other Democrats are still saying they will censure, or even impeach, Mr. Bush over the FISA program if they win control of Congress. This year the attempt to paint Bush Administration policies as a clear and present danger to civil liberties continued when USA Today hyped a story on how some U.S. phone companies were keeping call logs. The obvious reason for such logs is that the government might need them to trace the communications of a captured terror suspect. And then there was the recent brouhaha when the New York Times decided news of a secret, successful and entirely legal program to monitor bank transfers between bad guys was somehow in the "public interest" to expose. For that matter, we don't recall most advocates of a narrowly "focused" war on terror having many kind words for the Patriot Act, which broke down what in the 1990s was a crippling "wall" of separation between our own intelligence and law-enforcement agencies. Senator Reid was "focused" enough on this issue to brag, prematurely as it turned out, that he had "killed" its reauthorization. And what about interrogating terror suspects when we capture them? It is elite conventional wisdom these days that techniques no worse than psychological pressure and stress positions constitute "torture." There is also continued angst about the detention of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, even as Senators and self-styled civil libertarians fight Bush Administration attempts to process them through military tribunals that won't compromise sources and methods. In short, Democrats who claim to want "focus" on the war on terror have wanted it fought without the intelligence, interrogation and detention tools necessary to win it. And if they cite "cooperation" with our allies as some kind of magical answer, they should be reminded that the British and other European legal systems generally permit far more intrusive surveillance and detention policies than the Bush Administration has ever contemplated. Does anyone think that when the British interrogate those 20 or so suspects this week that they will recoil at harsh or stressful questioning? Another issue that should be front and center again is ethnic profiling. We'd be shocked if such profiling wasn't a factor in the selection of surveillance targets that resulted in yesterday's arrests. Here in the U.S., the arrests should be a reminder of the dangers posed by a politically correct system of searching 80-year-old airplane passengers with the same vigor as screeners search young men of Muslim origin. There is no civil right to board an airplane without extra hassle, any more than drivers in high-risk demographics have a right to the same insurance rates as a soccer mom. The real lesson of yesterday's antiterror success in Britain is that the threat remains potent, and that the U.S. government needs to be using every legal tool to defeat it. At home, that includes intelligence and surveillance and data-mining, and abroad it means all of those as well as an aggressive military plan to disrupt and kill terrorists where they live so they are constantly on defense rather than plotting to blow up U.S.-bound airliners. As the time since 9/11 has passed, many of America's elites have begun to portray U.S. government policies as a greater threat than the terrorists themselves. George Soros and others have said this explicitly, and their political allies in Congress and the media have staged a relentless campaign against the very practices that saved innocent lives this week. We doubt that many Americans who will soon board an airplane agree. Copyright © 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Obviously a good offense is the best defense, but how do we address the larger, more long term issue of why in the world anyone can be convinced to become a "martyr"? How do we win hearts and minds before the bad guys do?
Why is it that people flock to the West and then try to cripple the very system that gives them so much freedom? How can any ideology have that much gravitas?
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Pretty good art., Rebound...thanks.
I doubt we could find many in the US, whom would disagree or object to all the necessary means to keep the terrorists "out" of our situ or at bay. The last paragraph that you noted, is fine...the question(s) come, in my mind at least, as to what actions, steps, processes, etc. will US citizens stand for? Is reading my email or mail or eavesdropping on my phone calls or my library books or my internet views or..."justified" or "legal" or "ok"? The old adage of "well, if you have nothing to hide", is not gonna fly with me, or other US citizens if the "checkers" and the "checked stuff" is my private crap and of zero consequence to the "war on terror". The blind romance of "the President" is not the issue here, imo. He's elected, there's a new one in 2 years, he/she is not King, etc. I believe one can be "for the troops", for the "war on terror", for human beings and good will, for peace, etc., etc., and none of that requires lock step admiration for "the President." Not trying to feed another thread of W's great or a jerk, or feeling up Granny in the airport is a good/not good thing... It was a good article, but the innuendo is that "the Pres" or the "policy(ies)" are terrific and working well and we can all breathe a sigh of relief because we are in good hands. I'm not convinced any of that is really true. BR,mD
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MD,
I totally understand what you are saying and agree with it about 99%. The only thing I would disagree with is that I believe policy is working. Is it perfect? Nope. But I also believe nothing man-made ever could be. Some people think this is too simplistic a gauge, but I think of it as Occam's Razor - have we been attacked here in the U.S. since 9/11? Again, I don't think the President's perfect or done a 100% job, but you can't argue with the results. It's easy to "Monday morning quarterback" things, but I truly believe if he wasn't the president these last 5/6 years, we'd be a whole lot worse off. I completely agree that determining the "line" that we shouldn't cross in attempting to root out/stop terrorism (here and abroad) is a tough one. We all want it stopped (or ideally, prevented before initiation), but no one wants to give up any freedom. Totally understand and agree. I'm certainly no expert, so I can't sit here and say I've got the answer. I just trust in the system, and the checks and balances. It's served us well for the last 230, and I expect it will continue to do so.
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A less agressive side of me thinks that the issue is a lot of the people that "turn" toward martyrdom grow up under duress/tryannical living conditions. Obviously this doesn't adress the most recent bunch - the British "home-grown" terrorists. I think they are an offshoot of the first bunch. The first bunch are under duress (this is not a criticism of Israel or any other nation), and look for any way out. Basically they become enraptured by a cult of personality, foisted by the radical imams. They buy into it, some become imams themselves, and they travel, some to Great Britian. That brings us to group two. Is this deeply thought out and reasearched? Nope. But then I didn't claim to be an expert, either. Question #2 ("flock to the west") - I think they are coming here to get an education (that is, take advantage of what we have), and then they treat us as they wish (boom). That may be overly cynical, but hey, see the end of the previous paragraph. The main point is, we have to take this seriously, every one of us, every day until it's stopped. That's not easy, but it's necessary.
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