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B-Line · #1 11-07-2006, 03:29 PM

A pair of rottweilers fatally mauled a 2-year old at home..

From CNN today:
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fln8tive · #2 11-07-2006, 03:39 PM

So sad. Would someone please start a ballot measure to increase the cost of ownership for these kinds of dogs? Stud fees, whelping licenses, jail time for owners without current tags, mandatory dog obedience classes, expensive dog tags, etc. There are lot of people who have no business owning four legged potential deadly weapons. Wasn't there a thread about this recently?

B-Line · #3 11-07-2006, 03:53 PM

Yes,

There was a thread about this recently.. And it basically came down to the argument,

(People who own questionably dangerous breeds strongly assert)
That you can not blame the breed when an attack like this happens. It is the fault of the owners and not the fault of the breed.

The people on the other side of the coin, like myself (also a dog owner) believe in HEAVY regulation of certain breeds including: Rott's, Pit Bull's, Chow's or any other breed that has a history of fatal attacks on children.
I beleive that there should be laws restricting ownership in residential communities unless such dog owners have extensive training and licensing for the particular animal. And the animals should have to go through extensive anger and aggression testing. And yes, you can even call it BREED PROFILING for all i care.

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broknlgs24 · #4 11-07-2006, 04:16 PM

i have two Rotts, well had, we just had one put to sleep
because of bone cancer. in my family, we have children
aged from 9 months to 12 years. we have never run into
an issue w/ these 2 dogs concerning the children. our 1
Rott actually woke my parents up to let them know that
my cousin, who was 3 or 4 at the time, was awake and
wondering the house at 2AM. this same Rott, i f u were
to raise ur voice towards any of the children and attempt
to correct them, she would put herself in between the child
and adult.

dogs are what u make them and train them to be. if, from birth,
i tie my Rotts to a tree outside and torment them, they will be
mean. i do agree that breeding should be closely scrutinized
though.

blondboinsd · #5 11-07-2006, 04:52 PM

I'm all for banning pit bulls! Their nothing but trouble, end of story, If there is a pit bull in the dog run I will NOT let my dog go near it, I kinda grew up with rotties and never saw them as super horrible, in fact their not even on the top 3 for dog attacks (outranked but Pit Bulls (1) SHOCKER!, German Shepards (again don't view them as mean either?) and my baby the Chihuahua (what harm could they do thou lol)

B-Line · #6 11-07-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broknlgs24

dogs are what u make them and train them to be.

I could not agree with you more. And please, don't mistake my comment that ,Rott's can be VERY dangerous (especially to children) with a comment like, EVERY rott is dangerous.

No not every Rott is dangerous. But they all do have the POTENTIAL to be very deadly (especially to children.) And have time and time again, mauled, mamed and killed children. Even ones that have been quoted as being, FAMILY PETS and animals that had, NO PRIOR HISTORY OF AGGRESSION, etc.

Furthermore, I am both a gun owner and a dog owner. Not all guns are deadly. Not all guns will be used in crimes, It's not the gun, it's the user, etc. Or it's not the gun, it's the bullet.. B.S. -- We as a society have deemed, for good reason, that certain things, like guns, explosives, wild animals, etc. You need special licenses. Killer dog breeds should be no different. And yes, Rottweillers are KILLER DOG BREEDS.. See story above.

It's not the breeding as much as it is, "the breed" and to a lessor degree, "the handling". You have never heard of a York Sheer Terrier killing a child or a Dalmation for that matter. Yes, those dogs do and can bite people, but they do not have a history of actually killing their victim. Some breeds can and do Kill. Others can and do not.

Now, back to my original statement. I do not believe that every Rottweiler is going to turn into a homicidial beast killing children in the schoolyard for sport. There are some very good, smart, respectful, family dogs out there who are in good homes and with good families.
But the ones that "turn" or "suddenly do something unexpected, with no history of violence" is a very real possibility.

Your dogs CAN kill your children. History shows again and again that pets, just like yours, loving sweet animals, have killed children in the house holds and the dogs were, "the sweetest" "most unaggressive" etc. Does that mean it will happen in your house, God, I hope not. But you don't leave a loaded gun in the fork drawer. Don't leave your toddlers alone with your Rott.

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Aleko · #7 11-07-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

Agreed, Ban those damn dogs! Their nothing but trouble, end of story, If there is a pit bull in dog run I will NOT let my dog go near it

Sure, let's ban everything you don't like! Let's let the Government tell us what we need and don't need. I know some Countries that have tried that before, and I'm sure you wouldn't want to live there. And be careful what you wish for when you let them ban stuff - homosexualism may end up getting banned, too.

Banning is never the answer; holding people accountable for their actions (or should I say inactions in this case) is. If somebody wants to own a Rott or Pit Bull - let them, but make it very clear that they will be held responsible for those dogs' actions. If your dog kills a child - you go to jail for murder and do the time for the dog.

blondboinsd · #8 11-07-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Line

I could not agree with you more. And please, don't mistake my comment that ,Rott's can be VERY dangerous (especially to children) with a comment like, EVERY rott is dangerous.

No not every Rott is dangerous. But they all do have the POTENTIAL to be very deadly (especially to children.) And have time and time again, mauled, mamed and killed children. Even ones that have been quoted as being, FAMILY PETS and animals that had, NO PRIOR HISTORY OF AGGRESSION, etc.

Furthermore, I am both a gun owner and a dog owner. Not all guns are deadly. Not all guns will be used in crimes, It's not the gun, it's the user, etc. Or it's not the gun, it's the bullet.. B.S. -- We as a society have deemed, for good reason, that certain things, like guns, explosives, wild animals, etc. You need special licenses. Killer dog breeds should be no different. And yes, Rottweillers are KILLER DOG BREEDS.. See story above.

It's not the breeding as much as it is, "the breed" and to a lessor degree, "the handling". You have never heard of a York Sheer Terrier killing a child or a Dalmation for that matter. Yes, those dogs do and can bite people, but they do not have a history of actually killing their victim. Some breeds can and do Kill. Others can and do not.

Now, back to my original statement. I do not believe that every Rottweiler is going to turn into a homicidial beast killing children in the schoolyard for sport. There are some very good, smart, respectful, family dogs out there who are in good homes and with good families.
But the ones that "turn" or "suddenly do something unexpected, with no history of violence" is a very real possibility.

Your dogs CAN kill your children. History shows again and again that pets, just like yours, loving sweet animals, have killed children in the house holds and the dogs were, "the sweetest" "most unaggressive" etc. Does that mean it will happen in your house, God, I hope not. But you don't leave a loaded gun in the fork drawer. Don't leave your toddlers alone with your Rott.

B

I could not agree more, the dogs with a violent past should be regarded as just that: VIOLENT, history is history, accept your dog is more dangerous then the norm

broknlgs24 · #9 11-07-2006, 05:20 PM

in theory though, any dog, no matter how big or small
has the potential to kill a small child. it just depends
on where the bite occurs. i'd be willing to bet that it
happens more than we think; the media just doesn't
make news of it. Rotts and Pits have been portrayed
in the media, music videos, etc. as being vicious. yes,
some are, but i've also known lhapsa apso's to be racist
and only go nuts when people of color would walk by.

i completely agree w/ owners being held responsible, esp.
if they neglect their pet and train it to be vicious. we
searched and searched bloodlines b4 we bought our Rott.
the Rott we bought had a litter of six; in which, we kept
the only male; so we knew what his bloodline was also.

B-Line · #10 11-07-2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleko

Sure, let's ban everything you don't like! Let's let the Government tell us what we need and don't need.

Aleko,

There is a big difference between banning and regulating. I think BAN is a strong word. I do think regulate is a much smarter and more realistic approach to dealing with a problem like this.
As far as sending dog owners to jail if their dog kills, well, that's RE-ACTIVE, not PRO-ACTIVE.
If you had a son, brother, daughter, sister, that was killed by a dog, you would wish they had done something earlier.. In the same vein had a family member been killed by a gun if there were no Brady Law.

But to ignore the deaths that continue to happen month after month, year after year, is not the right approach either.

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