But you just said in you previous post that Iraqi deaths were ok. So why do you attempt to care now? Nice try. You only grind the axe that makes your point - you don't actually care one way or the other. That much is clear. If you think you've "caught" me, you've just fallen into my trap.

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When did I say they were ok? I have opposed this war since the beginning mainly because of the large number of civilian deaths that I knew there would be.

Those who say the war has been worth it are the ones indicating that they don't value Iraqi lives.

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Yes, freedom is worthless. Good post.

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Iraq is certainly not any more free today than it was 5 years ago. People aren't even allowed to come out of their homes after 8pm or they can be shot on sight. In case you are unaware, most of the country (including Baghdad) has been under strict curfew for well over 2 years.

Free to not have any electricity either. Since New Years, residents of Baghdad have had an average of 2 hours of electricity per day. The best selling items in Baghdad this past month have been candles and lanterns (I'm not making this stuff up - I heard this on the 1pm WABC Radio news break today interupting Rush Limbaugh's radio program)

The only difference between Iraq today and Iraq 5 years ago is that much of it is destroyed, many of its people are dead, and there is civil war. Dare I say that there was more freedom back then than there is now.

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Operation Paperclip/Overcast I know about. Same with the fight to get to the scientists and capture advanced weapons like the ME-262 jet that Hitler so misused. I also know the US and England weren't the only countries working to deprive Germany of it's ability to make war but the bombing missions they led deep into Germany's homeland on factories, oil refineries, submarine pens and such were largely responsible for disabling their war machine. The best tank or airplane in the world isn't worth squat if you can't make it go. Or make them at all. (...you know that...)

While Germany did continue to develop much more advanced technology throughout the war than we did much of it was not effective. The V1 buzz bombs and V2 rockets were really nothing more than bottle rockets, launched in the general direction of their targets in the hope they would hit something. They were mainly terror weapons used to try and scare England into submission and actually caused very little damage.

While wasting precious resources on these ineffective projects they started falling behind in their production and advancement of more proven weapons, like planes, and their great tanks! Had they had more Panzer and Tiger tanks at Normandy we may never have made it past the beach.

But way before Normandy the Americans brought in their new P-47 Thunderbolt, P-51 Mustang, and P-38 Lightning that were faster, longer ranged and could out-fly the aging ME-109's and FW-190's Germany relied so heavily on to protect their airspace. Next thing you know the bombers are getting through and boom-boom-boom, no more factories. No more fuel. No more war machine. By the time the ME-262 was really operational they didn't have enough of them to make a difference or the resources to keep them flying.

Air superiority won that war and the allies owned the skies.

I love talking about WWII with you Eric. Though I may not completely agree with your view on matters, you put forth a good argument! And it doesn't really matter if we agree. That was a great article about "Paperclip" too. FYI, my Dad was a top notch navigator/bombadier in B-17's and B-29's during that war and was also an instructor for the Norden bomb sight. He shot down a Zero from a B-29 in the Pacific theater after Europe was done but mostly dropped leaflets asking the Japanese to surrender. He was also on Tinian Island around the time the bomb was dropped on Japan. Dad retired as a Major after 26 years in the Army Air Corp/Air Force and last flew in B-52's during the "Cold War".

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they dont have lights because they keep blowing the powerplants themselves about the the curfew they were hidding IED or bombs in the road at night.

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I am aware of all of this. But it doesn't change the fact that there is less freedom now than there was 4 years ago in Iraq. Go ahead and blame it on the insurgents if you like. But it is still a reality of the situation there. A "free" and democratic government is of no use if they cannot keep order in their own country. Isn't that the #1 responsibility of a government?

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Yes, it is. Just like in Germany and Japan after 1945.

CRAP! Another WW2 reference!

So, we invaded both those countries, because they had invaded neighboring countries, in part to secure petroleum reserves, and had to use WMD's in the latter case. Then we had to "administer" them - for many years before they were able to govern themselves.

Too bad that WW2 comparison doesn't work...

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2010 528Xi
I demand justice.
Or, if there must be injustice, let it be in my favor.

Reynold's Wrap: it's not just for hats anymore.