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Old 02-14-2007, 03:57 AM
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interesting...i guess you would be one of those people who think natural citizens should take the citizenship test along with immigrants? i think that wouldn't be that bad of an idea...
It is pretty sad how little American's know about their own country.

My idea is that children born to illegal immigrants should not get citizenship by virtue of being born on US soil. That doesn't mean that the child cannot one day attain legal status. If a child is born to parents who are here legally, be it as a permanent resident ("Green Card") or perhaps even student or working visas (not including tourist visas) then the child could either be granted citizenship or at least attain the same legal status as the parents. Children born to a citizen (mother or father) should be entitled to citizenship.

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Old 02-14-2007, 04:17 AM
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Sounds right to me.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:03 AM
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I was listening to a radio show yesterday and the president of the local Hispanic League (or something) was on talking to a rep from MD. She kept trying to ask the rep basically if he was racist towards Hispanics, he of course wasn't and cited that he was against immigrants that come into the country without the necessary paperwork.

He actually had a really good line when asked if "he understood why they come over illegally...."

" I don't ask a criminal why they did what they did in this case. If you rob a bank, I don't ask you why did you rob the bank as a means to justify the robbery."

When the rep asked the Pres. of the Hispanic League why illegals couldn't simply follow the process as other immigrants do...she had no reply.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:13 AM
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Very interesting. Especially the last part.

I find it interesting that although not in all cases the moral climate regarding the decision to come to America for a better life is not a decision made with the intent to persue the process legally but instead to circumvent the law. Yes i understand the desperation but what we find ourselves with are people who's character leads them to make this decision. That decision then requires them to break other laws and so on and so on.

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I was listening to a radio show yesterday and the president of the local Hispanic League (or something) was on talking to a rep from MD. She kept trying to ask the rep basically if he was racist towards Hispanics, he of course wasn't and cited that he was against immigrants that come into the country without the necessary paperwork.

He actually had a really good line when asked if "he understood why they come over illegally...."

" I don't ask a criminal why they did what they did in this case. If you rob a bank, I don't ask you why did you rob the bank as a means to justify the robbery."

When the rep asked the Pres. of the Hispanic League why illegals couldn't simply follow the process as other immigrants do...she had no reply.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:24 AM
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Exactly, and I'm sick and tired of hearing if justified (by other Hispanics, rarely any other group) as to why it is "ok" in their case to go around the law.
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You mean the same way taxpayers have to pay for illegal immigrants health care? Hmmm
What health care? I constantly hear people mentioning this? As taxpayers, we don't pay for anyone's health care. We don't even have a system of national health care.

Yes, if someone doesn't have insurance and they are dying, they will be saved by a public hospital, but as soon as they can leave, the hospital will slap a bandaid on their ass and boot them.

I suppose while somoene is dying we should first do a check on whether they are a citizen?

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. The same would apply to someone visiting the US on vacation from another country.
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Old 02-14-2007, 04:00 PM
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i was an illegal for quite a while. Funny thing is I married a mexican(she is a naturalised citizen ) which is how i became legal. I was already working at the time. My 3 kids are us citizens albeit i much rather they be british but my wife has the final say in that.

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Old 02-14-2007, 04:02 PM
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What health care? I constantly hear people mentioning this? As taxpayers, we don't pay for anyone's health care. We don't even have a system of national health care.

Yes, if someone doesn't have insurance and they are dying, they will be saved by a public hospital, but as soon as they can leave, the hospital will slap a bandaid on their ass and boot them.

I suppose while somoene is dying we should first do a check on whether they are a citizen?

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. The same would apply to someone visiting the US on vacation from another country.
I COULD be wrong but doesn't tax money pay for medicare and medicaid
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What health care? I constantly hear people mentioning this? As taxpayers, we don't pay for anyone's health care. We don't even have a system of national health care.

Yes, if someone doesn't have insurance and they are dying, they will be saved by a public hospital, but as soon as they can leave, the hospital will slap a bandaid on their ass and boot them.

I suppose while somoene is dying we should first do a check on whether they are a citizen?

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. The same would apply to someone visiting the US on vacation from another country.

If they have a tourist visa, then they are legally allowed to be here.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:10 PM
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I COULD be wrong but doesn't tax money pay for medicare and medicaid
You need a social security number to quality for medicare or medicaid, thus illegals do not receive such benefits.
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