Toyota prepares to become #1 - Page 2

Thunder22 · #11 03-03-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

I give GM props for serious improvements over the last couple years. The last Pontiac G6 I drove was mildly entertaining in the twisties, moreso than a Toyota Camry. Of course, they still need some improvement- the 4-speed auto was geared wider than the Pacific Ocean. The problem is that they've lost the public's trust and winning that back will be difficult even if their products show improvement.

Like I've predicted: Toyota will take over the world one day.

GM will do better once the public sees the higher quality materials that they are now using in the new line of cars. I think that the general public has grown tired of the polyester and hard plastic bland interiors in Japanese cars. If reliability and value are equal, the public will go for quality and looks and the US automakers are getting back in the game in that area.

Btw- take a look at the GMC Acadia....

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E61Silver · #12 03-03-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gresch

1) Is your first sentence a question or a statement?

2) Re: your second sentence, are you saying that just because GM doesn't have a DIRECT competitor the mainstream market leader in 4wd wagon that they're doomed?

In addition, Subaru's have ridiculous reliability issues.

That being said, I love Subaru, it's your views that sometimes confuse me.

You would rather argue with my wording than address the issue.

1) How can the number one car maker not make cars that are more appealing to young buyers?

trueX5er · #13 03-03-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gresch

translation:

Ford makes better trucks and SUVs than GM (proven) but still GM is selling more of it's GMT900 SUVs than Ford is selling Expeditions, Expedition ELs, and Navigator and Navigator Ls.

Thunder22 · #14 03-03-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by trueX5er

translation:

Ford makes better trucks and SUVs than GM (proven) but still GM is selling more of it's GMT900 SUVs than Ford is selling Expeditions, Expedition ELs, and Navigator and Navigator Ls.

proven? how so?

I could easily claim the complete opposite...

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...asp?ID=2006082

Ford is below both chevy and GMC in initial quality... so how is it "proven" that Ford makes better trucks?

Thunder22 · #15 03-03-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Wagon or sedan they have very little for the younger buyer.

The Focus is not bad but no 4 wheel drive.

Chevy Cobalt
Chevy Cobalt Sedan
Chevy Cobalt SS (starts at $17k!)
Chevy Cobalt SS SUPERCHARGED! (starts at $21k)
Saturn (any model)
Pontiac G6
Pontiac G6 Convertible
Pontiac Vibe
Pontiac Torrent crossover
and the mother of all young buyers car:
The Pontiac Solstice (starts @ $22K!!!!!)
Pontiac GTO

That's almost a dozen low to mid priced GM products that are sporty and targeted at younger buyers.

AzNMpower32 · #16 03-03-2007, 11:37 AM

I thought the Pontiac GTO was discontinued?

Well, I think what's turning away Americans from domestic brands is their past reputation of poor relability. Most people see cars as an appliance. They want comfortable rides, easy-to-park steering, fuss-free (read: low tech) computer systems, good reliability (because most don't want to spend $$$ to maintain, much less repair their cars), and last but not least, big cupholders.

Toyota quality has slipped a bit recently though. I wonder if/when the public will get the message.

For sure, I place an emphasis on driving satisfaction and because Toyota doesn't deliver on that aspect, I dont recommend it to friends. For example, I'd rather my friend look at the upcoming '08 Mitsu Lancer than a Scion tC.

trueX5er · #17 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gresch

proven? how so?

I could easily claim the complete opposite...

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...asp?ID=2006082

Ford is below both chevy and GMC in initial quality... so how is it "proven" that Ford makes better trucks?

I didn't say in reliability. I was saying "proven" as in my first post, I said they were always picked over GM. Just open any CD/MT etc from a month or two ago.
Here are some:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=118877

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

MY2NDM3 · #18 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

I can't wait for the day when Toyota becomes the # 1 auto manufacturer in the world, and I know that's going to happen this year. They make great products, and there is no two ways about that. Apart from pickup trucks, the domestic's are crap. And that's going to change as well now that the new Tundra has been introduced. I can't wait for my Tundra Crewmax coming at the end of this month.

Go Toyota

trueX5er · #19 03-03-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

Toyota quality has slipped a bit recently though. I wonder if/when the public will get the message.

For sure, I place an emphasis on driving satisfaction and because Toyota doesn't deliver on that aspect, I dont recommend it to friends. For example, I'd rather my friend look at the upcoming '08 Mitsu Lancer than a Scion tC.

They have. More recalls, more quality problems...I had a 07 Camry rental that had misaligned trim pieces, etc.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/555
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/.ee95a34
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/564
just some info

And yes, the Lancer is pretty nice! 6spd steering wheel shiftable CVT!

Thunder22 · #20 03-03-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by trueX5er

I didn't say in reliability. I was saying "proven" as in my first post, I said they were always picked over GM. Just open any CD/MT etc from a month or two ago.
Here are some:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=118877

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

LOL! Ok, you're using a subjective car rag article as your proof, as opposed to hard and fast data from owners who reported their issues to JD power? oh boy. All of those rag articles are purely opinion. JD Power is more factual and documents how many issues real owners had with their vehicles.

I worked for MotorTrend and about 50 other car publications for 3 years, trust me, don't base your opinions on their findings.

I'm a vette owner and even when the trade rags pick the vette over a P-car and an F-car I take it with a grain of salt and realize what I would drive if I had the money

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