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well actually in the UK average price is for diesel 96.9ppl and unleaded is 94.9ppl so times that by 4.546 work out to be about £4.40 pence per gallon and that's UK gallon so works out about $8.80 for a UK gallon which is less than your gallon. Don't think you have to much to moan about. then on top of that we have the increased road tax which for a motor bought today works out at $600 per year going up to $800 next year. Then on top of that we have our car insurance depending on age and stuff can be anything from $600 up to $2000 per year. Not to mention the purchase price of the motor in the first place. |
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Car...$35,000 Sales Tax...$1,750 Excise Tax...$830 per year Registration Fees...$200 per year Insurance...$1500 per year Gas...$2400 per year for 8,000 annual miles ![]() Getting bent over at the pump for no apparent reason...Price-mothereffing-less.
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Try not living on an Island and having more refineries and not importing almost all your oil ![]() We have plenty to moan about, our increases have been insane over here.
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SNP Scottish National Party or ( Scottish Nose Pickers) were elected a couple week back as a minority party they are sure to bring our country to it's knees as they fight for total in dependence. |
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Well there ya go. UK and and such trying to compare their prices to the US is like Texas comparing food prices to Hawaii.
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Or, we could just increase the use of bio-fuels, like ethanol.
But wait? What's that? You say the cost of corn is rising due to the increase in ethanol? As I've said before, an increase in ethanol will result in an increase in food cost to the consumer. Here in the U.S., we can afford to absorb the change - other parts of the world aren't economically able to do so. Sure, the cost of gas will be such that you can afford to fill up your big ol' SUV and drive to the supermarket. Too bad that when you get there, you can't afford to buy any food... Ethanol's Bitter Taste Congress is choking on corn-based fuel. BY KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL Friday, May 18, 2007 12:01 a.m. It was a scant two years ago that Georgia's Saxby Chambliss voted with 73 other giddy senators for an energy bill that required the nation to use 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol. Georgia's farmers loved corn-based ethanol; Georgia's agri-businesses loved corn-based ethanol; and all that meant that then-Agriculture Committee Chairman Chambliss loved corn-based ethanol, too. Earlier this year, Mr. Chambliss introduced a bill calling for even greater ethanol use, though with one striking difference: The bill caps the amount of that fuel that can come from corn. Turns out Georgia's chicken farmers hate corn-based ethanol; Georgia's pork producers hate corn-based ethanol; Georgia's dairy industry hates corn-based ethanol; Georgia's food producers hate corn-based ethanol; Georgia's hunters hate corn-based ethanol. And all that means Mr. Chambliss has had to find a new biofuels religion. The shine is off corn ethanol, and oh, what a comedown it has been. It was only in January that President Bush was calling for a yet a bijillion more gallons of the wonder-stuff in his State of the Union address, and Iowa's Chuck Grassley was practically doing the Macarena in his seat. And why shouldn't Mr. Grassley and fellow ethanol handmaidens have boogied? They'd forced their first mandate through Congress, corn farmers were rolling in dough, billions in taxpayer dollars were spurring dozens of new ethanol plants--and here was the commander-in-chief calling for yet more yellow dollars. All in the name of national security, too! Corn ethanol seemed unstoppable, but a remarkable thing happened on the road from Des Moines. Just as the smart people warned, the government's decision to play energy market God and forcibly divert huge amounts of corn stocks into ethanol has played havoc with key sectors of the economy. Corn prices have nearly doubled, which means livestock owners can't afford to feed their animals, and food and drink manufacturers are struggling to buy corn and corn syrup. Environmentalists are sour over new stresses on farmland; international aid groups are moaning that the U.S. is cutting back its charitable food giving, and many of these folks are taking out their anger on Congress. Call it a case study in how a powerful lobby can overplay its hand. While many members are still publicly touting corn ethanol, privately they are quietly backing away from another round of corn-mania. The most extraordinary sign was the Senate Energy Committee's recent ethanol bill, hailed by Sens. Jeff Bingaman and Pete Domenici as "bipartisan" legislation for more "homegrown fuels." What the committee didn't mention in its press release was that it had built the legislation around Mr. Chambliss's cap on corn ethanol (at 15 billion gallons), and that the rest of the 32 billion-gallon-a-year mandate would have to come from other (still imaginary) sources, say switchgrass. The bill passed 20-3. It's taken politicians a while to catch on to these anti-ethanol vibes, but they've now got the picture. At an agriculture conference in Indianapolis last fall, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns and EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson spoke, delivering their usual fare about how ethanol was the greatest thing since sliced corn bread. They expected warm applause; in the past the entire ag community united around helping their brother corn farmers make a buck. But now that ethanol is literally taking food from their beasts' mouths, much of that community has grown less friendly. According to one attendee, Messrs. Daniels, Johanns and Johnson were later slammed with snippy ethanol questions from angry livestock owners, much to their dazed surprise. Word is that even the presidential candidates--who usually can say no wrong about ethanol while touring the Midwest--are having to be more selective about where they make their remarks. Things are even hotter in Washington, where lobbying groups are firming up their positions against corn ethanol. The hugely influential National Cattlemen's Beef Association has gone so far as to outline a series of public demands, including an end to any government tax credits (subsidies) for ethanol and an axe to the import tariff on foreign ethanol. Put another way, the cattlemen are so angry that they are demanding free markets and free trade--a first. Maybe ethanol really is a miracle fuel. In any event, expect the ethanol call to get harder for Plains state senators such as Max Baucus, Ben Nelson and Byron Dorgan. The National Turkey Federation estimates its feed costs have gone up nearly $600 million annually and is surely letting loose on members from turkey states such as Minnesota and Missouri. The National Chicken Council, which represents companies that produce, process and market chickens, has been hitting the southern political caucus, putting pressure on senators from big poultry states such as Georgia, Arkansas and Alabama. Chicken giant Tyson's, the second largest employer in Arkansas (after Wal-Mart), even felt the need to warn about the effect of rising corn prices on its business in its first quarter earnings statement. Food and drink manufacturers, which rely heavily on corn and corn syrup for their products, are also making the Washington rounds. The Grocery Manufacturers Association this week called for Congress to undertake a study before it imposed a bigger ethanol mandate. Soft-drink companies such as Coca-Cola (of Mr. Chambliss's Georgia) are also up in arms. From the other side, green groups are grousing about the environmental consequences of intensive corn farming. International aid organizations are complaining that ethanol is raising the overall cost of food and diverting grain from poor countries. Ducks Unlimited, part of Washington's "hooks and bullets" conservation lobby, sported a recent article in its magazine complaining that farmers are taking idle land out of conservation programs--land currently home to ducks--and using it for corn farming again. All this pressure is beginning to hit home. Ethanol isn't going away anytime soon; you can't unring a bill. But senators are said to be readying amendments to offer to the new ethanol bill that would use triggers or waivers to further water down the corn element. Turns out there are huge economic consequences to Congress micromanaging energy policy, and all to aid its campaign donors in agribusiness. A lesson the U.S. is now learning the hard way. Ms. Strassel is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board, based in Washington. Her column appears Fridays. Copyright © 2007 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. WSJ Link
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THe cost of corn has gone up but far from it's peak in the early 90's plus we had a lot of excess grain from the past few years...its good that it is being put to use...while it is true that we donate less grain to those outside of our country when has the average american given a shit about that anyway? Most of the new ethanol plants are biomass based (as opposed to grain based) which means they use corn stalks, leaves and switchgrass (which along with sugar beets have a larger energy quotient per bushel then any other crop) as for the land bank stuff only 3% of Land bank fallow reserves have been put back into use over the last few years...as for the more intensive farming comment well these people are stupid...you can plant one crop per year and every two years a corn field is replaced with Soybeans to replenish the Nitrogen pulled from the soil farming is no more or less intensive, you plant seeds seeds grow you harvest plants...you cannot plant more seeds in the same area to increase the yield or anything...it once again proves that on the whole the news media has it wrong...again
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