It's not true!

Eric5273 · #1 07-12-2007, 12:41 PM

Report: Al-Qaida's power is back

WASHINGTON -- A new top-level intelligence assessment concludes that the al-Qaida terrorist network has rebounded and is at its greatest strength since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

Calling al-Qaida the most potent terrorist threat to U.S. national security, the classified draft makes clear that the Bush administration has been unable to cripple Osama bin Laden and the violent terror movement he founded.

The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Chertoff says Qaeda not posing pre-Sept 11 threat

WASHINGTON, July 12 (Reuters) - U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Thursday the threat to the United States from al Qaeda has not returned to levels seen just before the Sept. 11 attacks nearly six years ago.

Chertoff played down media reports the militant network has regained strength and was now as great a threat as in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks on Washington and New York.

Ummmm....media reports? It wasn't media reports that said Al-Queda regained its strength. It was a "top level" US government intelligence report.

noncom23 · #2 07-12-2007, 12:49 PM

Heard the same thing. Here we go again. So much for shutting them down.

Eric5273 · #3 07-12-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by noncom23

So much for shutting them down.

They can shut down Al-Queda if they want. The way to do it is not with bombs and military might. That just helps Al-Queda to recruit more.

noncom23 · #4 07-12-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

They can shut down Al-Queda if they want. The way to do it is not with bombs and military might. That just helps Al-Queda to recruit more.

I agree. They won't take the necessary STEPS...(wonder why)

B-Line · #5 07-12-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

They can shut down Al-Queda if they want. The way to do it is not with bombs and military might. That just helps Al-Queda to recruit more.

Yeah guys, don't you know that Al-Q can be shut down with hugs and positive affirmations...
Maybe a corporate retreat where everyone talks about their feelings.

Eric, hate to break it to you, but while you drive around in your X5 preaching peace, your enemies want nothing more than to see your jewish head (and mine for that matter,) spiked on a stick.
How do you plan on making peace with a group of people who think your death, at their hands, will open the doors of heaven for them..

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noncom23 · #6 07-12-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

Yeah guys, don't you know that Al-Q can be shut down with hugs and positive affirmations...
Maybe a corporate retreat where everyone talks about their feelings.

Eric, hate to break it to you, but while you drive around in your X5 preaching peace, your enemies want nothing more than to see your jewish head spiked on a stick.
How do you plan on making peace with a group of people who think your death, at their hands, will open the doors of heaven for them..

B

Hmmmmm, I thought he meant covertly...

B-Line · #7 07-12-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by noncom23

Hmmmmm, I thought he meant covertly...

Not sure I understand what you mean Noncom ?

Eric5273 · #8 07-12-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

How do you plan on making peace with a group of people who think your death, at their hands, will open the doors of heaven for them..

I don't intend to make peace with a bunch of fanatics. I would just like to create an environment in their own countries where they are seen as fanatics and not mainstream. And the only way to do that is to show the people of those countries that they are wrong about the United States.

For years Osama bin Laden and Al-Queda have preached the following points:

1) once America opens military bases in the Middle East, they will never leave

2) they kill civilians and are fighting a war against Islam

3) they are also there to steal the economic resourses of the Middle Eastern countries

They only way to decrease their influence is to prove them wrong. And as the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. Publicly saying they are wrong will not do anything. We must speak with our actions.

The one thing President Bush is right about is that this is not a war that can be won overnight. It will take years. What we need to do is to create an environment where people are not attracted to fanatics. And the way to do that is to have good living conditions with no starvation, good economic conditions, and no war. If that is achieved, Al-Queda will quickly find themselves as influential as the KKK is in the United States. Yes they still exist, but are a small shadow of their former selves.

Unfortunately, to achieve such things, politicians will be forced to go against the desires of all the special interests. They will have to take on the military industrial complex and put an end to war in the Middle East. They will have to take on the oil & energy companies and not help them gain a foothold and privatize the oil supplies of the Middle Eastern countries. They will have to take on the AIPAC and support a 2-state solution in the Middle East. And lastly, they will have stop their financial and military support for dictatorships like those in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Saudi Arabia, even though those dictatorships are good for US business interests in those countries.

AzX5 · #9 07-12-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

I don't intend to make peace with a bunch of fanatics. I would just like to create an environment in their own countries where they are seen as fanatics and not mainstream. And the only way to do that is to show the people of those countries that they are wrong about the United States.

For years Osama bin Laden and Al-Queda have preached the following points:

1) once America opens military bases in the Middle East, they will never leave

2) they kill civilians and are fighting a war against Islam

3) they are also there to steal the economic resourses of the Middle Eastern countries

They only way to decrease their influence is to prove them wrong. And as the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. Publicly saying they are wrong will not do anything. We must speak with our actions.

The one thing President Bush is right about is that this is not a war that can be won overnight. It will take years. What we need to do is to create an environment where people are not attracted to fanatics. And the way to do that is to have good living conditions with no starvation, good economic conditions, and no war. If that is achieved, Al-Queda will quickly find themselves as influential as the KKK is in the United States. Yes they still exist, but are a small shadow of their former selves.

Unfortunately, to achieve such things, politicians will be forced to go against the desires of all the special interests. They will have to take on the military industrial complex and put an end to war in the Middle East. They will have to take on the oil & energy companies and not help them gain a foothold and privatize the oil supplies of the Middle Eastern countries. They will have to take on the AIPAC and support a 2-state solution in the Middle East. And lastly, they will have stop their financial and military support for dictatorships like those in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Saudi Arabia.

B-Line · #10 07-12-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Unfortunately, to achieve such things, politicians will be forced to go against the desires of all the special interests. They will have to take on the military industrial complex and put an end to war in the Middle East. They will have to take on the oil & energy companies and not help them gain a foothold and privatize the oil supplies of the Middle Eastern countries. They will have to take on the AIPAC and support a 2-state solution in the Middle East. And lastly, they will have stop their financial and military support for dictatorships like those in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Saudi Arabia, even though those dictatorships are good for US business interests in those countries.

Eric,

You forgot to add, "The US will have to stop it's unwavering support of Israel and must allow it's hostile, neighboring countries to push all the Jews into the sea."

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