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Old 07-23-2007, 03:39 PM
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Traffic ticket question (No U-Turn)

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I got ticketed by Officer Friendly for cvc 22102 (U-Turn in a Bus. District) after being pulled over for Driving While Brown .

I politely informed him that I was not doing a U-Turn, but doing a 3 point turn. I was ticketed anyway.

I intend to fight this on principle, as I did not do a u-turn as was written up on the ticket (Plus the fine + traffic school is almost $200). Has anyone had any similar experiences?

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Old 07-23-2007, 03:51 PM
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Hate to say it, but that picture looks awfully like a U-turn, whether you meant to or not. Just because an Acura TL (with its 41ft turning radius) can't make a U-turn at an intersection and has to back up, doesn't automatically make it a "3-point turn".

Didn't you see a police nearby anyway? If I'm going to attempt something that might be even slightly illegal, I usually check for marked or unmarked police first.
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Old 07-23-2007, 04:21 PM
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I agree with AzNMpower32, just because you parked didn't make it 'not a U Turn'. Drop a post when you get pulled over in a parking lot for...parking...I did
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:32 AM
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Thanks for the tips!

I may be grasping at straws, but I'm gonna go for the "I was ticketed for a U-turn. I did a three-point turn, so please me off in the name of justice" defense

Ticket Assassin is pretty cool. I actually got off on two speeding tickets using their forms/templates. The basic premise of the Trial by Mail is that you fill out the forms, and the cop also has to fill out the forms. The judge then reviews these. If the cop doesn't fill out their form by the due date, then you automatically get off. Cops don't get paid extra by filling out the forms, whereas they can pull overtime by showing up in court.

I'm more pissed than anything because in this particular area it happens all the time, there are no double-yellow lines, the no U-turnsign is up high on a post and I've never seen anyone else get pulled over. I was done on a Sunday afternoon, with not a single other car in sight (I'm still trying to figure out where the cop was hiding). I understand it when people get ticketed for dangerous stuff like excessive speeding or blowing through red lights, but chicken$hit revenue-raising tickets like this are lame.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:42 AM
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So your saying there's a no u-turn sign posted? You also saying that you know there is no such thing in the CVC regarding a legal 3 point turn and your angry?.

Think about this. Signs like this are posted after engineering surveys are done and it is deem from the research that a u-turn would be inappropriate at the intersection in question. Point in fact this is not a revenue raising ticket as you describe. It is a traffic flow regulation issue which you clearly violated.

It's the same thing i violated just the other day. I got off the freeway made my stop at the red light and as i would normally do at a red light i would wait for the traffic to clear then proceed thru the red light making a legal right turn. All that's good except there's a sign posted on a pole which said "NO RIGHT TURN ON RED" So as i turned there was a motorcycle cop sitting there waiting. I was nabbed. Was i angry and fussing? After all he should have been after other folks who were doing dangerous stuff like excessive speeding or blowing through red lights, right? No. Plain and simple i broke the law.

So i said here we go first ticket in ages and sure enough the officer reached for his handlebars and for some reason leaned back and watched as i passed. So I got away with that one. You didn't. Fess up there's nothing lame about obeying the law.



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I'm more pissed than anything because in this particular area it happens all the time, there are no double-yellow lines, the no U-turnsign is up high on a post and I've never seen anyone else get pulled over. I was done on a Sunday afternoon, with not a single other car in sight (I'm still trying to figure out where the cop was hiding). I understand it when people get ticketed for dangerous stuff like excessive speeding or blowing through red lights, but chicken$hit revenue-raising tickets like this are lame.
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So your saying there's a no u-turn sign posted? You also saying that you know there is no such thing in the CVC regarding a legal 3 point turn and your angry?.

Think about this. Signs like this are posted after engineering surveys are done and it is deem from the research that a u-turn would be inappropriate at the intersection in question. Point in fact this is not a revenue raising ticket as you describe. It is a traffic flow regulation issue which you clearly violated.

It's the same thing i violated just the other day. I got off the freeway made my stop at the red light and as i would normally do at a red light i would wait for the traffic to clear then proceed thru the red light making a legal right turn. All that's good except there's a sign posted on a pole which said "NO RIGHT TURN ON RED" So as i turned there was a motorcycle cop sitting there waiting. I was nabbed. Was i angry and fussing? After all he should have been after other folks who were doing dangerous stuff like excessive speeding or blowing through red lights, right? No. Plain and simple i broke the law.

So i said here we go first ticket in ages and sure enough the officer reached for his handlebars and for some reason leaned back and watched as i passed. So I got away with that one. You didn't. Fess up there's nothing lame about obeying the law.
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So your saying there's a no u-turn sign posted? You also saying that you know there is no such thing in the CVC regarding a legal 3 point turn and your angry?.

Think about this. Signs like this are posted after engineering surveys are done and it is deem from the research that a u-turn would be inappropriate at the intersection in question. Point in fact this is not a revenue raising ticket as you describe. It is a traffic flow regulation issue which you clearly violated.

It's the same thing i violated just the other day. I got off the freeway made my stop at the red light and as i would normally do at a red light i would wait for the traffic to clear then proceed thru the red light making a legal right turn. All that's good except there's a sign posted on a pole which said "NO RIGHT TURN ON RED" So as i turned there was a motorcycle cop sitting there waiting. I was nabbed. Was i angry and fussing? After all he should have been after other folks who were doing dangerous stuff like excessive speeding or blowing through red lights, right? No. Plain and simple i broke the law.

So i said here we go first ticket in ages and sure enough the officer reached for his handlebars and for some reason leaned back and watched as i passed. So I got away with that one. You didn't. Fess up there's nothing lame about obeying the law.
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there are no double-yellow lines, the no U-turnsign is up high on a post
How high on a post? can you see it from your driver's vantage point from where you were ticketed? are there double lines or not?

If you intend to go to court, you need to take some pictures of what the situation looks like, from your driver's seat, at that same time of day. traffic control devices can't be hidden, obscured, or placed in a manner so that you can't see them. there are rules that govern placement of these objects.

My wife had a similar situation. I did all of the above, made a big presentation board, etc. I was fighting it because I couldn't believe what she did was wrong. At the last minute, I actually read the law, and found that what she did was not wrong!

At the hearing/trial, the cop totally changed his story about what had happened. I actually think it was not out of malice, but I think he didn't remember - it had been 2 months since the ticket, and I can barely remember some obscure work item from 2 months ago. In this case, though, I was shocked, because it was so far from the truth.

In the end, the judge ruled that her maneuver was not, in fact, against the law (at least against the section of the law she was cited for - I did not research the entire code to see if she was mis-cited).

So, prepare your case, and read the law. Then decide if you have a case, and if it's really worth it.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:29 PM
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Sweet! I just got a check back for $158!!!


I can't recommend TicketAssassin.com enough for you CA drivers. I requested a trial by written declaration. Basically I just typed up a document that said "I plead not guilty". The cop that wrote that chickensh!t ticket never responded so it was automatically dismissed.

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My beef was basically on principle. This particular street is notorious for soccer mom types that pull u-turns and other bone headed maneuvers all times of the day, yet I've never seen anyone else get pulled over. I've seen pedestrians almost get mown down and have avoided several accidents myself because off these. If I see cops regularly pulling people over I'd have no beef about this incident.

I got nabbed on a Sunday afternoon when the street was deserted. I politely asked for a warning (On a side note, I've had good karma talking my way out of tickets in the past), but this particular cop felt justified in pulling me over and writing me up for Driving while Brown.

Suck it, chickensh*t cop. Suck it long and suck it hard.
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