I had no idea that TL were Irish or that Phil 'L' was black... having only heard them on the radio back when they were at their height. I learned something today.

Therefore, I hereby blame the Catholic Church, and St. Patrick, in particular, for this thread

I could care less about the color of a persons skin and judge everyone by their actions. That said I don't play the Politically Correct game and I call things as I see them.

If you wish to ignore the Elephant in the room don't read the statistics below.

Homicide Victimization Rates per 100,000 Population by Race


White Black Other
1976 5.1 37.1 4.9
1977 5.4 36.2 4.7
1978 5.6 35.1 4.0
1979 6.1 37.5 4.1
1980 6.3 37.7 5.7
1981 6.2 36.4 6.1
1982 5.9 32.3 6.5
1983 5.3 29.4 6.4
1984 5.2 27.2 5.5
1985 5.2 27.6 5.5
1986 5.4 31.5 6.2
1987 5.1 30.7 5.2
1988 4.9 33.5 4.0
1989 5.0 35.1 4.3
1990 5.4 37.6 4.2
1991 5.5 39.3 6.0
1992 5.3 37.2 5.4
1993 5.3 38.7 5.5
1994 5.0 36.4 4.6
1995 4.8 31.6 4.9
1996 4.3 28.3 4.1
1997 3.9 26.0 4.1
1998 3.8 23.0 2.9
1999 3.5 20.5 3.3
2000 3.3 20.5 2.7
2001 3.4 20.4 2.8
2002 3.3 20.8 2.7
2003 3.4 20.9 2.8
2004 3.3 19.7 2.4
2005 3.3 20.6 2.5

Homicide Victims by Race


White Black Other
1976 9,585 8,745 238
1977 10,041 8,669 236
1978 10,568 8,572 207
1979 11,625 9,311 215
1980 12,275 9,767 327
1981 12,163 9,862 348
1982 11,644 8,880 399
1983 10,604 8,201 417
1984 10,490 7,678 377
1985 10,590 7,891 399
1986 10,916 9,107 484
1987 10,526 9,000 424
1988 10,184 9,959 344
1989 10,325 10,566 390
1990 11,279 11,488 400
1991 11,661 12,226 608
1992 11,229 11,777 573
1993 11,278 12,435 601
1994 10,773 11,856 526
1995 10,376 10,444 581
1996 9,483 9,476 512
1997 8,620 8,842 524
1998 8,389 7,931 393
1999 7,777 7,139 458
2000 7,560 7,425 399
2001 7,884 7,522 424
2002 7,784 7,758 437
2003 7,932 7,893 468
2004 7,944 7,562 417
2005 8,017 7,999 437

Now consider whites make up 80% of the total population while African-Americans make up only 12%.

How do you explain the trend if this is not due to gangs, drugs and yes...The Hip-Hop culture.

I'd be willing to bet if you researched the deaths and perpetrators music collections you would see an overwhelming trend.

They don't call it Gangster Rap for nothing.

Lets take a look at who is having sex at 13 and having kids at 14 and raising them alone? wow statistics arent really proving wrong here are they now? Granted the reason there are kids is that abortion is expensive and looked down upon but its passed down. A 13yr old cant raise a child and if they do then their kids will be the same. Needless to say every race/culture has this issue but where is the majority?

Interesting satistics. Thanks for sharing them. If you would though remember satistics don't explain the human factor, or the real issues that make them up. As one white Author pointed out..............

http://www.city-journal.org/html/6_2_my_black.html

"My black crime problem, and ours, is that for most Americans, especially for average white Americans, the distance is not merely great but almost unfathomable, the fear is enormous and largely justifiable, and the black kids who inspire the fear seem not merely unrecognizable but alien. Not that we can’t understand where they come from, when we stop to consider. After all, the child is father to the man: and think how many inner-city black children are without parents, relatives, neighbors, teachers, coaches, or clergymen to teach them right from wrong, give them loving and consistent discipline, show them the moral and material value of hard work and study, and bring them to cherish the self-respect that comes only from respecting the life, liberty, and property of others. Think how many black children grow up where parents neglect and abuse them, where other adults and teenagers harass and harm them, where drug dealers exploit them. Not surprisingly, in return for the favor, some of these children kill, rape, maim, and steal without remorse. And around goes the negative feedback loop: reasonable fear feeds unreasonable white race hostility, whose reality in turn feeds unreasonable black paranoia about everything in life."

It's an insidious endless loop that many of us wish had a simple answer. The fact is there are no simple answers.

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Thank you for sharing your statistics with us. They do not call you Lab Guy for nothing. I do not know what bugs me more: your racial comments or the fact that you actually look these worthless racial statistics on the internet.

Are we talking about Rap or Hip Hop? Last time I checked they were two different genres. It probably don't matter because we are so off on the original post. This can be a never ending debate so I will leave it at that.

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MrLabGuy:

Can you find a similar chart comparing the murder rate by class, rather than by race? I would bet you would find that the huge majority of the murders are "poor on poor" murders (poor person killing another poor person). Maybe it's not a race or cultural issue, but an economic issue.

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One other comment:

Hip Hop first started in the early 1980s. Gangsta Rap first started in the late 1980s and did not become nationally popular until the early 1990s. Your statistics show a consistantly high murder rate among blacks since the mid-1970s, so I would have to say that based on your statistics, hip hop and gangsta rap are non-factors.


If anything, your numbers show a decline in the murder rate after the introduction of Gansta rap on the national scene:

1992 5.3 37.2 5.4
1993 5.3 38.7 5.5
1994 5.0 36.4 4.6
1995 4.8 31.6 4.9
1996 4.3 28.3 4.1
1997 3.9 26.0 4.1
1998 3.8 23.0 2.9
1999 3.5 20.5 3.3
2000 3.3 20.5 2.7
2001 3.4 20.4 2.8
2002 3.3 20.8 2.7
2003 3.4 20.9 2.8
2004 3.3 19.7 2.4
2005 3.3 20.6 2.5

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So Eric, you agree with the stats then.....


And to all, the post was originally just about the fact that some cities get recognized for crime, while others hide it (go Martin O'Malley the Teflon Leprecon).

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