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Old 10-17-2007, 01:02 PM
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LOL...Can you imagine a lobby group approaching a large private company.

Groups Lobby the Government because they know how to work Politicians. Given enough votes most would sell their mothers into prostitution.
Exactly my point.
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Eric...You blame business for playing by the rules set by the government. Worse yet you want that same corrupt government who set these rules to take over more of the private sector under the guise of providing better services.

Private companies and the people who work for them pay for this government and make this Nation strong. Government on the other hand creates bureaucracy's which are inefficient and get nothing done at great expense.
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:38 PM
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Eric...You blame business for playing by the rules set by the government. Worse yet you want that same corrupt government who set these rules to take over more of the private sector under the guise of providing better services.

Private companies and the people who work for them pay for this government and make this Nation strong. Government on the other hand creates bureaucracy's which are inefficient and get nothing done at great expense.
So then you are in favor of eliminating all regulation and oversight?

Or are you in favor of keeping the current extremely corrupt system that exists?

I'm a little confused as to what you are in favor of. You keep saying to let the private sector handle things, which leads me to believe you want no oversight or regulation, which obviously is handled by the government.

Or are you saying that industry should regulate itself? That's like putting the criminals in charge of stopping crime or the poluters in charge of polution control. Although with the current corrupt system, that is essentially what you have anyway, as the example with the Medicaid bill showed.

So what is your solution to have real honest regulation of industry?
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Eric...The system you labeled as "extremely corrupt" was put in place and is run by the government. Your idea is to put more government in place to protect us from ourselves.

I say privatize as much as possible with protections in place for the greater good and prosecute those who endanger society or break the rules.

Government should be responsible for the military and the protection of the Unites States or our Allies if found necessary or in our best interest and govern foreign and domestic affairs. Many items currently being run by our government would work better and be cheaper if left to the private sector. Prisons for example...Bad ones should be held responsible and good ones should be rewarded. In the end things will run more efficiently at a lower cost.
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I say privatize as much as possible with protections in place for the greater good and prosecute those who endanger society or break the rules.
As we discussed, if you privatize these things, the "protections" will mean nothing as the politicans who are in charge of these protections will be bought and paid for by the privatized companies they are supposed to be regulating. And you can forget about any prosecutions of those who break the rules.

What you are suggesting does not work as long as you allow the companies to contribute money to the campaigns of the politicans who are in charge of regulating them. What is your solution to fix that problem?
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As we discussed, if you privatize these things, the "protections" will mean nothing as the politicans who are in charge of these protections will be bought and paid for by the privatized companies they are supposed to be regulating. And you can forget about any prosecutions of those who break the rules.
And you still call for socialized medicine, and the nanny state.
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As we discussed, if you privatize these things, the "protections" will mean nothing as the politicans who are in charge of these protections will be bought and paid for by the privatized companies they are supposed to be regulating. And you can forget about any prosecutions of those who break the rules.

What you are suggesting does not work as long as you allow the companies to contribute money to the campaigns of the politicans who are in charge of regulating them. What is your solution to fix that problem?
End all lobbying and corporate contributions. Develop a publicly funded election system where everyone is on an even keel. The problem would be keeping nuts from using those funds running for president. There would need to be a way to filter the group down to people who could actually win. That would eliminate those like Kucinich...And that would be a good thing.
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End all lobbying and corporate contributions. Develop a publicly funded election system where everyone is on an even keel.
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The problem would be keeping nuts from using those funds running for president. There would need to be a way to filter the group down to people who could actually win. That would eliminate those like Kucinich...And that would be a good thing.
You already have requirements in some states that you get a certain number of signatures in order to get on the ballot. You could simply increase that number to something substantial.

BTW, Kucinich has enough of a following that he should be on the ballot. I don't see that as an abuse. But if you've ever gone to vote in a primary, there are sometimes a couple of dozen candidates listed, and most of them are people you've never heard who simply got on the ballot in one or two states. Those are the ones who would have to be eliminated.

Another posibility is to give public funding based on how many signatures you get with a tier system. That would eliminate all those who don't belong, and all those who reach the top tier (your top candidates) would get the same funding.
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Why don't we just elect congressman with term limits and have them select a president

I for one am tired of hearing about Hilary and Rudy as if they are the only candidates that stand a chance of winning....thanks media...it's been fun.
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I for one am tired of hearing about Hilary and Rudy as if they are the only candidates that stand a chance of winning....thanks media...it's been fun.
Remember that 4 years ago in October 2003, the media was 100% sure that Howard Dean would win the nomination. At that time, John Kerry was running 5th or 6th in the polls at around 4%.
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