Benazir Bhutto Assassinated - Page 4

Eric5273 · #31 12-27-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by x54.4blue

I still don't think JFK was killed by a political opponent, the mob or Cuba probably

There's no reason to "think" when you can find out for sure by doing some research and reading...

FYI, the mob was surely involved. They may have even hired the assassins, although it's hard to know for sure as they all seemed to suddenly get themselves killed after the assassination and there is very little evidence of who did what, other than that certain people were involved and then murdered shortly after the assassination. And yes, anti-Castro Cubans were also involved as they were sore at Kennedy for hanging them out to dry during the Bay of Pigs invasion. Oswald was mixed up with that group. He was an FBI informant who had infiltrated the Cuban group undercover.

But the assassination was planned at the highest levels of government and was only able to succeed by removing the secret service protection on that day. On any other day, you would have had a massive presence of secret service agents all along the route. You would have had sharp shooters on top of and inside buildings, and security around each and every building. But instead, the Secret Service was ordered to stand down. Watch these 2 short videos of footage from before the assassination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAWiIRgx0g

Most interesting is the agent who throws his hands up in the air in disgust and confusion after being ordered not to run alongside the car as he would normally do.

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E61Silver · #32 12-27-2007, 08:31 PM

So are you saying that the Mod, the FBI and Cuba all working together, that I don't believe!

diogenes! · #33 12-27-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Who said anything about keeping secrets? You are correct....they are terrible at keeping secrets. There is tons of leaks and tons of information that has been released by the government over the years on many of the assassinations.

During the 1990s, under the 1992 "JFK Act" which George Bush Sr. signed into law, over 4 million government documents were released by the Congressional Assassination Records Review Board. More than 90% of these documents pre-dated the assassination, yet were deemed worthy of being related to the assassination. That's a lot of documents having to do with something which you say was a random shooting by a lone nut.

Oooo.... Problems with the evidentiary trail of a 1960's presidential assassination - who'd have tho't it?? It's not like there was any turmoil at the time or interagency infighting. IIRC, simple things like custody of the body and evidence were major interagency battles. Not to mention problems with 30 year old memories - but I'm wasting my time....

BTW eric, a history website run by another conspiracy type whose day job is writing computer games does not a change in history make. It looks like Mr. Bradford is making quite a name for himself on the JFK Conspiracy circuit. Prob'ly pays better than Atari computer games these days.

Of course, you're also familiar with John McAdams' Kennedy Assassination web site. I'm sure that you'll agree a tenured professor of political science is at least as qualified as a computer game author in these matters.

chilliwilli · #34 12-27-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by diogenes!

Uhm... The FBI doesn't bring indictments - that would be up a Federal Grand Jury. Maybe one was never convened because this administration considered it an act of war and not a criminal matter. IIRC, that's why Clinton never acted when friendly gov'ts offered bin laden to him.

Ooookay...So, they (FBI) provide investigative information to indicte "the shoe bomber" and Moussaoui (who was already in prison on the day of 911) but admit they don't have a shred of evidence against bin laden...You must look at history concerning this debate and consider "other" possible alternatives...

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Not enough evidence indeed - his own videotaped admission notwithstanding. Of course, Eric will argue that was "forged"...

Perhaps you should do a bit more research on that "taped confession"...

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The financial trail alone led straight to binnie-boy like a four lane highway.

To reiterate...not a shred of evidence linking bin laden to 911. Proper research on the financial trail actually points in an interesting direction.
Until all evidence and some type of real investigation comes to fruition, the events of that day may never come to light. Believe what you believe but I believe the word "conspiracy theory" should be removed from this debate as I doubt you're qualified to know what on that day (before & after) was theory and which was fact. One of the most important people recommended to the 911 comission by the families, is Sibel Edmonds. Unfortunately, she's been gagged beyond belief. Newsweek calls her the most gagged person in U.S. history.
There are "entities" that stand to profit from Bhutto's assasination, bottom line. The list of "who" could be endless. Regardless, it's a damn shame that such a possible light of hope for her country was extinguished.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Jn4vTGb_8

E61Silver · #35 12-27-2007, 08:40 PM

i do think that the TWA plane that went down over the sound was hit by a rocket and the government covered that up.

diogenes! · #36 12-27-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chilliwilli

Believe what you believe but I believe the word "conspiracy theory" should be removed from this debate as I doubt you're qualified to know what on that day (before & after) was theory and which was fact.

Qualified???

Tell me - oh Wise One, what are your "qualifications"....

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One of the most important people recommended to the 911 comission by the families, is Sibel Edmonds.

A translator hired as a contractor, whose first day on the job is nearly two weeks after 9/11, uncovers evidence of foreknowledge of the attacks before her contract is terminated five months later. Sounds like a Tom Clancy novel to me...

Oh, BTW, in her "open letter", Edmonds writes, "Four months prior to the terrorist attacks the Iranian asset provided the FBI with specific information regarding the ‘use of airplanes’, ‘major US cities as targets’, and ‘Osama Bin Laden issuing the order.’" Even your "most important" person says Osama did it. Can't have it both ways...

Eric5273 · #37 12-27-2007, 09:18 PM

"30 year old memories" do not make 9 autopsy doctors, all interviewed at different times and independently from eachother, each forget every detail about the most important autopsy they ever did and imagine that there was a big hole in the back of the president's head and that half of his skull was missing, when in fact there was only a tiny bullet size hole.

And BTW, anyone who watches the film of the assassination will see that part of his head was blown off. You can see chunks of his skull fly off and Jackie climbs onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve part of his head.

And that's what all the other witnesses said as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWJowvbtxs&NR=1

But none of that mattered back in 1964, because the Warren Commission never interviewed any of the doctors from Parkland Hospital, they never interviewed the autopsy doctors from Bethesda, and the public did not get to see the Zapruder film until the 1980s when it was finally released to the public. What you don't know won't affect your opinion, and that was why most Americans believed the Warren Commission. Today less than 10% of Americans believe the Warren Commission. You can't get 90% of Americans to agree on anything, yet 90% think the Warren Commission was full of crap.

Eric5273 · #38 12-27-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by diogenes!

A translator hired as a contractor, whose first day on the job is nearly two weeks after 9/11, uncovers evidence of foreknowledge of the attacks before her contract is terminated five months later. Sounds like a Tom Clancy novel to me...

If she is just some conspiracy nut, then why has the Justice Department gone through such great lengths to keep her quiet? Currently she is under court order to not talk to the media or else she will go to prison.

diogenes! · #39 12-27-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

"30 year old memories" do not make 9 autopsy doctors, all interviewed at different times and independently from eachother, each forget every detail about the most important autopsy they ever did and imagine that there was a big hole in the back of the president's head and that half of his skull was missing, when in fact there was only a tiny bullet size hole.

And BTW, anyone who watches the film of the assassination will see that part of his head was blown off. You can see chunks of his skull fly off and Jackie climbs onto the trunk of the limo to retrieve part of his head.

OK eric, for the purposes of discussion, let's say you're right. The gov't screwed up the autopsy, misplaced(for whatever reason) the real photos, but what difference does it make? How does that prove conspiracy? We all did see the back of his skull fly off as a 6.5mm slug blew his brains out. Who needs an autopsy to know the cause of death?

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Today less than 10% of Americans believe the Warren Commission. You can't get 90% of Americans to agree on anything, yet 90% think the Warren Commission was full of crap.

I'm calling you on that one eric. Cite me the survey where 90% of Americans don't believe the Warren Commission. I don't think I even know 9 people of that opinion. I may not even know 9 people that give a big damn about any of this. The only reason that I care is that I'm tired of people like you wanting to use taxpayer money for countless investigations until the result agrees with your preconceived conclusion. If you think there's a conspiracy, spend your own money to prove it...

diogenes! · #40 12-27-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

If she is just some conspiracy nut, then why has the Justice Department gone through such great lengths to keep her quiet? Currently she is under court order to not talk to the media or else she will go to prison.

There you go again eric - just exactly where did I call her a "conspiracy nut". I have no idea what her motivation is - just that I think it's very doubtful that she's the "keystone" of 9/11 information...

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