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Old 09-19-2008, 02:58 PM
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And you like to spin half-truths, don't you? Someone has got to keep you honest.

My challenge to you is still on the table.

You've yet to challenge anything. Your ability to go back nearly a decade when, oh yeah, Clinton was in the White house, in some attempt to validate in your own mind how Obama's actions are somehow acceptable. Amazing.

BTW, didn't half spin anything, you just went an additional 9 years back to attempt to find something If you could just admit you're blindly following him, it would be much easier to understand your point...or lack there of. Nice how you had no objection to your inability to be objective

Guess the real question is, have you come to grips with the fact that Mr. Hope and Change is really the same as every other politician...I mean, w/o the years in office.


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Old 09-19-2008, 03:51 PM
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You've yet to challenge anything. Your ability to go back nearly a decade when, oh yeah, Clinton was in the White house, in some attempt to validate in your own mind how Obama's actions are somehow acceptable. Amazing.

BTW, didn't half spin anything, you just went an additional 9 years back to attempt to find something If you could just admit you're blindly following him, it would be much easier to understand your point...or lack there of. Nice how you had no objection to your inability to be objective
First, there was nothing objective about your post.

Second, This isn't 9 years ago. This is today:

At least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, netting at least $12.3 million in fees over the past nine years.

Political insiders Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., picked by McCain to vet his vice presidential nominees, and Jim Johnson, picked by Obama to perform the same function, once worked for the mortgage giants.

And for years, Rick Davis (Chief Executive Officer of the McCain campaign) served as president of an advocacy group led by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that defended the two companies against increased regulation.

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Guess the real question is, have you come to grips with the fact that Mr. Hope and Change is really the same as every other politician...I mean, w/o the years in office.


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Kinda like the "Straight Talk Express." The wheels fell off of that bus a long time ago!

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Old 09-19-2008, 04:39 PM
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First, there was nothing objective about your post.

Second, This isn't 9 years ago. This is today:

At least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, netting at least $12.3 million in fees over the past nine years.

Political insiders Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., picked by McCain to vet his vice presidential nominees, and Jim Johnson, picked by Obama to perform the same function, once worked for the mortgage giants.

And for years, Rick Davis (Chief Executive Officer of the McCain campaign) served as president of an advocacy group led by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that defended the two companies against increased regulation.



Kinda like the "Straight Talk Express." The wheels fell off of that bus a long time ago!
Please...You act as if Obama has ZERO links to lobbyists. Careful using guilt by association because Obama does not hold up to that scrutiny.

Lobbyists are part of our broken government and both parties are guilty. I'm more concerned with Obama's relationships with Rezko, Ayres and his 20 year relationship with Rev Wright as well as a long list of others.

So is it quilt by association or not? Pick your poison.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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Please...You act as if Obama has ZERO links to lobbyists. Careful using guilt by association because Obama does not hold up to that scrutiny.

Lobbyists are part of our broken government and both parties are guilty. I'm more concerned with Obama's relationships with Rezko, Ayres and his 20 year relationship with Rev Wright as well as a long list of others.

So is it quilt by association or not? Pick your poison.
Nope. I quoted it like it was reported. I acknowledged Obama's Fannie and Freddie political contacts. I even acknowledged Obama's receipt of funds from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So you cannot say that I inferred that Obama has ZERO political links to Fannie and Freddie.

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That may be true, but tell the whole story, Wagner.

Fannie and Freddie’s political contacts exist deep in the two presidential campaigns.
I responded directly to Wagner's "half-truth" post about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

As far as Rev. Wright (to which Obama has offered as fair game during this political season) and others, I offer this:

If you are McCain or Gov. Palin it is ok to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re Obama and friends with a Rev. Wright who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

If you are Gov. Palin it is ok to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're Obama everyone questions your patriotism because you do not wear a flag lapel pin or becaues you have a tenuous link to William Ayers.
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Nope. I quoted it like it was reported. I acknowledged Obama's Fannie and Freddie political contacts. I even acknowledged Obama's receipt of funds from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So you cannot say that I inferred that Obama has ZERO political links to Fannie and Freddie.



I responded directly to Wagner's "half-truth" post about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

As far as Rev. Wright (to which Obama has offered as fair game during this political season) and others, I offer this:

If you are McCain or Gov. Palin it is ok to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re Obama and friends with a Rev. Wright who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

If you are Gov. Palin it is ok to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're Obama everyone questions your patriotism because you do not wear a flag lapel pin or becaues you have a tenuous link to William Ayers.
OK then where are McCain's links to a Racist, Gangster, Anti-Semite or Convicted Terrorist?

I guess Obama does have something McCain doesn't because they both have links to lobbyists along with every other politician. I'd say your story has no legs and is just more campaign rhetoric.
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:57 AM
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Nope. I quoted it like it was reported. I acknowledged Obama's Fannie and Freddie political contacts. I even acknowledged Obama's receipt of funds from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So you cannot say that I inferred that Obama has ZERO political links to Fannie and Freddie.



I responded directly to Wagner's "half-truth" post about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

As far as Rev. Wright (to which Obama has offered as fair game during this political season) and others, I offer this:

If you are McCain or Gov. Palin it is ok to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re Obama and friends with a Rev. Wright who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

If you are Gov. Palin it is ok to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're Obama everyone questions your patriotism because you do not wear a flag lapel pin or becaues you have a tenuous link to William Ayers.
Nothing I said was half-true....but party fans do like to makes stuff up.
Unless of course you can produce actual data that shows Obama doesn't rank number 2 in taking money from Fannie/Freddie and doesn't have former F/F staff on his sidelines It's a shame, some had such high hopes of Obama being different. I know I did about a year ago. Sad to see he is the same, or conceivably worse, then every other politician.

Oh and Lakai, I'll sum up the 'reasons' for you: "I don't like McCain" and...um...that was it.

MD and Quick, I can sympathize But you have to believe that after 8 years of Bush, this election would be a sparring session I just wish people could address the facts without feeling the overwhelming need to supply a competing piece of information to try to null out the other. Kind of like kids in a sandbox "why did you take Jimmy's shovel, well...he took my ball last week".
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Old 09-20-2008, 08:32 AM
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hey ignorants:

McCain was trying to reform Fannie and Freddie 2005 (republican majority congress?).. blocked. then he again urged for this bill in May of 2006, he was not on the committee, and the Democrat Committee killed it in 2006.. its all in the senate records, including his speech on it, where he warned this would cost the taxpayers down the road if it wasn't reined in immediately...

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Nothing I said was half-true....but party fans do like to makes stuff up.
You are a funny guy. Nothing I said was made up. Seeing what you want to see... again. That is a shame.

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Unless of course you can produce actual data that shows Obama doesn't rank number 2 in taking money from Fannie/Freddie and doesn't have former F/F staff on his sidelines It's a shame, some had such high hopes of Obama being different. I know I did about a year ago. Sad to see he is the same, or conceivably worse, then every other politician.
I never said he didn't rank no. 2 in that regard. In fact I agreed with you that it was probably true. Obviously you have a problem with reading. I said they both have F/F problems in my first post on this thread. Unless you can produce actual data that shows McCain does not have F/F staff on his team....Then I rest my case.

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Old 09-20-2008, 11:40 AM
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You are a funny guy. Nothing I said was made up. Seeing what you want to see... again. That is a shame.



I never said he didn't rank no. 2 in that regard. In fact I agreed with you that it was probably true. Obviously you have a problem with reading. I said they both have F/F problems in my first post on this thread. Unless you can produce actual data that shows McCain does not have F/F staff on his team....Then I rest my case.

See you still mislead yourself and yes you did make up some non-sense as if I said McCain anywhere in my first thread. "Probably true" it is true, there is no probably. I never said McCain didn't have any ties to F/F (though it seems you had to go back about a decade to find any)...you just make up arguments left and right to defend your boy. You didn't have a case to rest Try to read the posts before you attempt to blinder them, it helps logic flow Had you posted anything that denied Obamas current involvement, that would have been a tangible response. Instead, you attempted to create a new flow so you could work in your point. Though I really can't blame you, trying to support Obama right now is getting harder and harder to define.
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