HighDef TV Forum...

[motordavid]

Here's a forum site I stumbled across in my search for High Def TV opins, info and ideas:

http://www.highdefforum.com/

NE1 have any others that are info/comparo driven?

On the hunt for the new tube(s) for the FlawRaDuh StarterShack.
BR,md

[ekaz]

I've got a DLP and love it! That's my .02 anyway.

[JV]

Originally Posted by motordavid

Here's a forum site I stumbled across in my search for High Def TV opins, info and ideas:

http://www.highdefforum.com/

NE1 have any others that are info/comparo driven?

On the hunt for the new tube(s) for the FlawRaDuh StarterShack.
BR,md

I'm all confused about the damn things as well, md. I'll take a long look at that site tonight.

I was looking at the Sonys at Best Buy last night. I think it's LCD on Silicon that's the new bad ass set they have, I guess that's the Qualia. The Brevia looked nice too. Hard to tell if you're getting the most bang for your buck at Best Buy. The sales force is still saving for the junior prom.

Anyone (Chris F, you out there?) who can point out some good resources for comparisons I would love to see them!

JV

[Chris F.]

Hey, I'm here The market is pretty crazy right now. Lots of new models and prices are dropping rapidly (the industry rumor is another price drop after Thanksgiving!)

You can really make your head spin reading all the reviews and comparisons. It really depends upon what you want. Do you want to hang this thing on the wall or on a stand? That alone reduces your choices if you want to hang it on a wall.

From there you have to decide which technology looks best to you. DLP, LCOS and LCD are rear projection sets, which mean you have a light bulb to replace every 3-4 years (you get about 6000-8000 hours on a bulb, replacements are about $200-$300).

Plasma does not have a light bulb to replace. Life on the display is about 60,000 hours (many many many many years of viewing). The downside is that Plasmas suck down a lot of electricity (400-500 watts). That probably is not a big deciding factor, but compared to its rear projector cousins (200-300 watts) it can add up after hours of viewing.

So without further ado.

Plasma: Great picture, excellent viewing angles. Expensive, expensive to own (electricity), some can see a 'screen door effect' at close viewing distances. (Look at a LCD computer monitor at a very close distances and you'll see what I mean by 'screen door effect'). Have to be careful with screen burn in. Check out Fujitsu, Hitachi, Pioneer, and Panasonic for best brands.

DLP: Great picture. Excellent contrast ratio (great blacks). Not as good viewing angles as Plasma. Lots of moving parts (spinning color wheel, mirrors). Some can see 'rainbows'. No screen door effect. Try watching black and white material on a DLP to see if you can see rainbows. If you get down to narrowing your choices to a DLP set, make sure you watch one in a store for a few hours. no screen burn in. It is rear projection and hence uses a light bulb. Check out Mitsubishi, Samsung for best brands.

LCOS: This is technology is pretty cool. It's similar to LCD but has better colors and contrast ratios. It looks very, very good so far. Unfortunately it does use a light bulb (its rear projection). No possibility of rainbows. No 'screen door' effect. Possible that it can retain temporary screen burn in (30-45 mins) if you leave an image on the screen for many hours. Not as good viewing angles as a Plasma. Check out Sony for LCOS technology. JVC will have some new LCOS sets out later this Fall.

LCD: LCD has pretty much become a budget technology, but don't let it fool you. It may not have as good blacks as some of the other technologies, but companies are still producing a very nice LCD set. Unfortuantely it does use a light bulb (its rear projection). No possibility of rainbows. Viewing angle is not as good as a Plasma. You can see the screen door effect on these depending upon your viewing distance. Like LCOS, it is possible to retain temporary screen burn in if you are not careful. Check out Sony and Panasonic for LCD.

LCD Flat Panels: Very nice picture, and the technology is constantly improving. Like LCD rear projection (see above), it might not have the best blacks but it is getting better and better in each new model. No possibility of rainbows. Viewing angle not as good as a Plasma. You can see the screen door effect depending upon your viewing distance. The nice thing about flat panel is, like a plasma, you can hang it on a wall if you wanted to.

Best black levels: I would say LCOS (Sony's new SXRD sets are great), DLP and Plasma have the best black levels (not in any particular order). LCD is a little bit behind in this category.

If it were me, and I had a good budget to work with, and I was not stuck on hanging a display on a wall, I would consider Plasma, LCOS, DLP. Not necessarily in that order either. I can see rainbows when I watch a DLP set, so I immediately tossed that technology out as a candidate. Plasma is nice but I'm concerned about screen burn in and electric bills. LCOS is nice but the technology is very new for Sony and, to some extent, JVC.

Just be aware that a) technology is improving VERY rapidly in HDTVs b) Prices are falling every day, c) What you buy today will be outdated in 2-3 years from a technology standpoint, but will certainly still be usable.

So with that in mind, happy shopping

Check out the AVS forums http://www.avsforum.com/?styleid=12

There are threads that have literally thousands of posts to wade through.

If you have questions, ASK!!!

Chris

[Thunder22]

www.avsforum.com is the mac daddy AV site.

[LCC]

Originally Posted by gresch

www.avsforum.com is the mac daddy AV site.

Ditto. I don't buy anything unless I consult the guru's on that board.

[JV]

Thanks, Chris! I knew you could lay out a syllabus on it right quick!

I am looking for something in the 50"-60" range, for between $3-5 grand. Don't wanna hang it on a wall, but want it to be the best picture quality and built in HDTV.

Wonder if you have checked into this, Chris...I can see rainbows on my Sony Wega 36" tube TV, does that mean I will see them with other types of sets?

I should go back to the store and start watching the different sets I suppose.

JV

[broknlgs24]

Originally Posted by JVZ104

Thanks, Chris! I knew you could lay out a syllabus on it right quick!

I am looking for something in the 50"-60" range, for between $3-5 grand. Don't wanna hang it on a wall, but want it to be the best picture quality and built in HDTV.

Wonder if you have checked into this, Chris...I can see rainbows on my Sony Wega 36" tube TV, does that mean I will see them with other types of sets?

I should go back to the store and start watching the different sets I suppose.

JV

have u given any thought to a DLP Projector? i just bought an Optoma H77. 1 word comes to mind, unreal! me personally, i wouldn't spend $2500 for a 42"; when u can have 80"+ for $400 more.

[JV]

Originally Posted by broknlgs24

have u given any thought to a DLP Projector? i just bought an Optoma H77. 1 word comes to mind, unreal! me personally, i wouldn't spend $2500 for a 42"; when u can have 80"+ for $400 more.

When our new house gets built, then it'll be projector time. We're in a townhouse until '07, no room for a projector in our family room.

JV

[Chris F.]

Originally Posted by JVZ104

Thanks, Chris! I knew you could lay out a syllabus on it right quick!

I am looking for something in the 50"-60" range, for between $3-5 grand. Don't wanna hang it on a wall, but want it to be the best picture quality and built in HDTV.

Wonder if you have checked into this, Chris...I can see rainbows on my Sony Wega 36" tube TV, does that mean I will see them with other types of sets?

I should go back to the store and start watching the different sets I suppose.

JV

Well, you wouldn't be able to see the type of rainbows I am referring to on a tube TV. The Rainbows you might see on the tube TV are due to the comb filter not doing a great job at processing the video.

Here is a link which will take you to a video of what the 'rainbow effect' is on DLP tvs. When you go into a store, bring a DVD that has black and white scenes on it. Then move your eyes very quickly from one area of the TV to another.

You'll see what I mean with this link. This video shows exactly what you will see if you are can see the dreaded rainbow effect (I wish I didn't see it! )

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...chnology2.html

Once you get to the link, scroll down about halfway through the page. Go to the box with the red border and then click the "here" link.

Honestly, to me it would be a toss up between a Pioneer Plasma, Sony SXRD (LCOS), or a DLP if I didn't see rainbows (I haven't investigated DLPs so I can't make a brand reccomendation there, but Mitsubishi has always made a nice set). Plasma gets very pricey beyond 50", so if you want a 60" set I would go with a SXRD....

By the way the possible screen burn in that I reported a few hours back appears to be isolated to a single set that a person bought, so ignore that fact. LCOS seems to be the best technology for rear projection right now, but thats just my opinoin.

Chris