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So only if things go wrong do we blame Obama?

The military did a great job and Obama as a good commander did a good job as well.
This incident is not the only one going on right now involving Americans held by Somali Pirates. This one is just getting all the press. I'm pretty sure there is still an American Tug being held with 16 Americans on-board.

I was disappointed by Obama's silence but I'm sure you will be hearing him talk now since this has become a story of heroism on the part of the Capitan and the Navy Seals.

Let's see how he handles this growing problem going forward before we start praising his leadership. This is just the beginning.
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Duuno...the Anti-O gang is pretty tough here.

I would bet dinner for all, that Obama was up to speed and making the decisions on this all along.

What I don't need and, what we need less of imo, is politicos,
(even if they are President), commenting/grandstanding/chest
puffing on every freakin incident that comes around on the JukeBox.
And, especially doing that "commentary" early on in these situs.

Meanwhile back at the Send'EmToDavey'sLockerRanch, I am very glad the
Cap'n got out. Kudos to the SEALS and all involved...did anyone think
"we" were really gonna negotiate with these 4th world punqueazzes?
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Special Forces are amazing, A+ for a job well done... now lets park a couple Navy battle ships off the coast and stop this nonsense.
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Special Forces are amazing, A+ for a job well done... now lets park a couple Navy battle ships off the coast and stop this nonsense.
I agree... our carrier ships are by all means very powerful chess pieces that do affect decisions wherever they are. Usually whenever an "incident" happens oversees the presidents first question is "where are my ships"
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Duuno...the Anti-O gang is pretty tough here.

I would bet dinner for all, that Obama was up to speed and making the decisions on this all along.

What I don't need and, what we need less of imo, is politicos,
(even if they are President), commenting/grandstanding/chest
puffing on every freakin incident that comes around on the JukeBox.
And, especially doing that "commentary" early on in these situs.

Meanwhile back at the Send'EmToDavey'sLockerRanch, I am very glad the
Cap'n got out. Kudos to the SEALS and all involved...did anyone think
"we" were really gonna negotiate with these 4th world punqueazzes?
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did anyone think
"we" were really gonna negotiate with these 4th world punqueazzes?
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I would hope not...EVER. That said most paid a ransom and it is said that they might have received up-wards of 80 million dollars just last year in ransom. Most recently the Saudis giving them 3 million and the Ukraine giving them another 3 million.

Here we took a page out of the French play book of all things...

The French government has sent in their forces to free hostage. In September 2008, France dispatched elite commandos on a night operation to free two French hostages from their captured sailboat. The 30-some soldiers, wearing night-vision goggles, boarded the ship and in about 10 minutes killed one pirate, captured six others and pulled the French Polynesian couple to safety.

The first such rescue by French troops was in April 2008. The helicopter-borne French troops swooped in on Somali pirates, capturing six of them, after the hijackers released dozens of hostages who had been held on a yacht.

I don't say this too often but Way to go France!
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French SF guys, like the SF guys from most countries, are pretty darned good. It is the politicians and semi-politician commanders who screw up most militaries.
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HOO YAH! Go SEALs!

Just imagine...some Navy intel guys are lucky enough to be reviewing this whole op on video right now.

Would love to have a glimpse of those Somalis getting dropped like sacks of potatoes by the SEAL sniper rounds. Cause of death: instant depletion of brain matter.

Of course this is one of the few SEAL ops we even hear about. I'm sure this kind of sniper stuff went down clandestinely in Iraq and Afghanistan all the time...
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Kidnapped US captain freed; snipers kill 3 pirates



By TODD PITMAN and LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writers Todd Pitman And Lara Jakes, Associated Press Writers – 5 mins ago.

NAIROBI, Kenya – Navy SEAL snipers on the fantail of a destroyer cut down three Somali pirates in a lifeboat and rescued an American sea captain on Easter Sunday. The surprise nighttime assault in choppy seas ended a five-day standoff between a team of rogue gunmen and the world's most powerful military.

It was a stunning conclusion to an Indian Ocean odyssey that began when 53-year-old freighter Capt. Richard Phillips was taken hostage Wednesday by pirates who tried to hijack the U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama.

The Vermont native was held on a tiny lifeboat that began drifting precariously toward Somalia's anarchic, gun-plagued shores.
The operation, personally approved by President Barack Obama, quashed fears the saga could drag on for months and marked a victory for the U.S., which for days seemed powerless to resolve the crisis despite massing helicopter-equipped warships at the scene.

Negotiations with the three pirates were growing heated, Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said.

One of them pointed an AK-47 at the back of Phillips, who was tied up and in "imminent danger" of being killed when the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge made the split-second decision to order his men to shoot, Gortney said. Navy snipers took aim at the pirates' heads and shoulders, he said.

The lifeboat was about 25-30 yards away and was being towed by the Bainbridge at the time, he said. The pirates had agreed to the tow to move the powerless lifeboat out of rough water.

A fourth pirate surrendered after boarding the Bainbridge earlier in the day and could face life in a U.S. prison. He had been seeking medical attention for a wound to his hand and was negotiating with U.S. officials on conditions for Phillips' release, military officials said.

The rescue was a dramatic blow to the pirates who have preyed on international shipping and hold more than a dozen ships with about 230 foreign sailors. But it is unlikely to do much to quell the region's growing pirate threat, which has transformed one of the world's busiest shipping lanes into one of its most dangerous. It also risked provoking retaliatory attacks.

"This could escalate violence in this part of the world, no question about it," said Gortney, the commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command.
Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding the Greek ship anchored in the Somali town of Gaan, said: "Every country will be treated the way it treats us. In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," he told The Associated Press. "We will retaliate (for) the killings of our men."
Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old self-proclaimed pirate, told the AP from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl, that: "From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)."

"Now they became our number one enemy," Habeb said of U.S. forces.
Phillips was not hurt in several minutes of gunfire and the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet said he was resting comfortably on a U.S. warship after receiving a medical exam.

Aboard the Bainbridge, sailors passed along a message from Andrea Phillips to her husband: "Richard, your family loves you, your family is praying for you, and your family is saving a chocolate Easter egg for you, unless your son eats it first."

Phillips himself deflected any praise.

"I'm just the byline. The real heroes are the Navy, the SEALs, those who have brought me home," Phillips said by phone to Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart, the company head told reporters. A photo released by the Navy showed Phillips unharmed and shaking hands with the commanding officer of the USS Bainbridge.

Obama said Phillips had courage that was "a model for all Americans" and he was pleased about the rescue, adding that the United States needs help from other countries to deal with the threat of piracy and to hold pirates accountable.


With news of the rescue, Phillips' 17,000-ton ship, which docked with the 19 members of his crew Saturday in Mombasa, Kenya, erupted into wild cheers. Some waved an American flag and one fired a bright red flare skyward in celebration.

"We made it!" said crewman ATM Reza, pumping his fist in the air.
The ship had been carrying food aid bound for Rwanda, Somalia and Uganda when the ordeal began hundreds of miles off Somalia's eastern coast Wednesday. Crew members said they saw pirates scrambling into the ship with ropes and hooks from a small boat bobbing on the surface of the Indian Ocean far below.

As the pirates shot in the air, Phillips told his crew to lock themselves in a cabin and surrendered himself to safeguard his men, crew members said.
Phillips was then taken hostage in an enclosed lifeboat that was soon shadowed by three U.S. warships and a helicopter in a standoff that grew by the day. The pirates were believed armed with pistols and AK-47 assault rifles.

Talks to free him began Thursday with the captain of the USS Bainbridge talking to the pirates under instruction from FBI hostage negotiators on board the U.S. destroyer. The pirates had threatened to kill Phillips if attacked.

A government official and others in Somalia with knowledge of the situation said negotiations broke down late Saturday. The stumbling block, Somali officials said: Americans' insistence the pirates be arrested and brought to justice.

Phillips jumped out of the lifeboat Friday and tried to swim for his freedom but was recaptured when a pirate fired an automatic weapon into the water, according to U.S. Defense Department officials speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about the unfolding operations.

On Saturday, pirates fired a few shots at a small U.S. Navy vessel that had approached, but the U.S. sailors did not return fire.
The U.S. Navy had assumed the pirates would try to get their hostage to shore, where they could have hidden him on Somalia's lawless soil and been in a stronger position to negotiate a ransom.

Somalia's government, which barely controls any territory in the country, welcomed the news of Phillips' rescue.
"The Somali government wanted the drama to end in a peaceful way, but any one who is involved in this latest case had the choice to use violence or other means," Abdulkhadir Walayo, the prime minister's spokesman, told the AP. "We see it will be a good lesson for the pirates or any one else involved in this dirty business."

Worried residents of Harardhere, another port and pirate stronghold, were gathering in the streets after news of the captain's release.

"We fear more that any revenge taken by the pirates against foreign nationals could bring more attacks from the foreign navies, perhaps on our villages," Abdullahi Haji Jama, who owns a clothes store in Harardhere, told the AP by telephone.

Pirates are holding about a dozen ships with more than 200 crew members, according to the Malaysia-based piracy watchdog International Maritime Bureau. Hostages are from Bulgaria, China, Germany, Indonesia, Italy, the Philippines, Russia, Taiwan, Tuvalu and Ukraine, among other countries.

The Navy said Phillips was freed at 7:19 p.m. local time. He was taken aboard the Norfolk, Va.-based Bainbridge and then flown to the San Diego-based USS Boxer for the medical exam, 5th Fleet spokesman Lt. Nathan Christensen said.

Christensen said Phillips was now "resting comfortably." The USS Boxer was in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Somalia, Christensen said.
U.S. officials said a fourth pirate had surrendered and was in military custody. FBI spokesman John Miller said that would change as the situation became "more of a criminal issue than a military issue."

A spokeswoman for the Phillips family, Alison McColl, said Phillips and his wife, Andrea, spoke by phone shortly after he was freed.
"I think you can all imagine their joy and what a happy moment that was for them," McColl said outside of the Phillips home in Underhill, Vt. "They're all just so happy and relieved. Andrea wanted me to tell the nation that all of your prayers and good wishes have paid off, because Capt. Phillips is safe."

Capt. Joseph Murphy, the father of second-in-command Shane Murphy, thanked Phillips for his bravery.

"Our prayers have been answered on this Easter Sunday," Murphy said. "If not for his incredible personal sacrifice, this kidnapping and act of terror could have turned out much worse."

Murphy said both his family and Phillips' "can now celebrate a joyous Easter together."

"This was an incredible team effort, and I am extremely proud of the tireless efforts of all the men and women who made this rescue possible" Gortney said in a statement.

He called Phillips and his crew "heroic."

Terry Aiken, 66, who lives across the street from the Phillips house, fought back tears as he reacted to the news.
"I'm very, very happy," Aiken said. "I can't be happier for him and his family."

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Yes the O-man is the real hero. The ordeal only cost US taxpayers another 50 billion over a period of 5 days as enough military hardware was brought in to destroy a medium size continent three times over. On the bright side, since the treasury is printing money faster than even the military can spend it, that $50 billion really only has a value of just over 10 billion.

Ironically the cargo ship was hauling food aid to Somalia. They should just release that last pirate to a starving mass of people to rip him to pieces. What a complete A-hole.

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