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Old 05-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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I would take 3 Rings over High school Dunk Champion any day.
I would say it is pointless to argue with you...if you can't see or appreciate that Cleveland is where it is because of James...but anyhow I guess your on the Kobe hype yourself...

I hope it will be a Lakers and Cavs final...then no matter what happens there won't be any excuses on either kobe or jame's side...
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:15 PM
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Not sure what your talking about my friend.
I have no love affair with any team or any player.
I enjoy watching them demonstrate their skills.
Thats all that matters to me.

I will say though that being from the west coast makes
me partial at this stage of the game for the lakers.

But a real blast from the past is "THE WORM"
I would make sure I watched the game no
matter who he played for. He was worth the
price of admission to any game....

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Quicksilver, sorry bro whenever Lakers lost, i know how it feels for each player but not Kobe. LOL
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:25 PM
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QS, my point is Kobe is not and value player as many Lakers' fan think he is.
By the way, 6:30 minutes left and Nuggets lead Laker 91-85.
Enjoy basketball my friends LOL
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:03 AM
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more foul calls on the lakers than the total number of tattoos on the players of the nuggets roster
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:42 AM
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If the fans believe he's valuable and you say "Kobe is not and value player as many Lakers' fan think he is"
then who is it that believes he's valuable and why does the team continue to play him? Give me some specific evidence to support your argument.

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QS, my point is Kobe is not and value player as many Lakers' fan think he is.
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QS, StartX5's arguments are as good as Chuck Hayes, freethrow. I haven't seen a single post where he took the time to thoroughly explain or support his argument. He's simply a hater with his blinders on.

I do appreciate what Lebron has done for the Cavs but he has a long way to go in terms of matching the accomplishments Kobe has done regardless of whoever superstar, allstar, scrub etc he has played with. Fact of the matter is, Kobe has three rings while Lebron only has an eastern conference Championship. One can say that he could have never won anything without Shaq but that argument does not hold water since Shaq hasn't won a championship either without playing with another superstar (D. Wade).

Kobe is where he's at right now because of the team he's playing for and because of his dedication and love for the sport. In my opinion he is currently the basketball player with the greatest skill set with a killer instinct comparable to MJ while Lebron James being not too far behind him.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:01 AM
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HEY StartX5

Any argument you had about Kobe's
value to the team and the fans
just went down the toilet........

I rest my case..............

Lakers 105......... Bryant 40 points
Denver 103 .......Anthony 39 points
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Quicksilver touched on a very important point that many so-called enthusiasts fail to recognize. It annoys me when people mention that a pro athlete is "cocky" without even really knowing the player or have never even played that particular sport. Having personally played basketball up to collegiate-level...all the camps, training and practice...there's a factor that's incredibly necessary for each individual player that will affect the team, ultimately. That factor is mental toughness...this comes off to many as "cockiness". Call it what you wish...but mental toughness is taught starting in the peewee leagues. You hear coaches like Doc Rivers mentioning the importance of mental toughness in the post-season. Every pro-arena athlete must have this component in his/her arsenal.

Most people only see the physical game before them...but there's a mental aspect to the game as well. If only the players were wired, perhaps it would be more obvious. This cockiness...i.e. mental toughness is what Melo and Denver exhibited in game 1 but Kobe maintained while some team8's froze. It's the most necessary tool a teams star and the entire team must possess especially when playing in an opponents home-court. If the team does not exhibit this mental toughness, their star must...in basketball, often times, if a star player maintains mental toughness and catches fire, some team-mates awake from their slumber and follow lead.

It just annoys me when people mention that players are cocky...well maybe some don't know how to turn off the mental toughness off-court but they're doing exactly as they were trained. Imagine coming into the pro-circuit straight out of high school...all the anxiety that you may experience disappears the moment you exhibit mental toughness and your opponents will take note. Some of you who don't even play the sport won't have a clue what i'm talking about....

Let me also add that i'm neutral as i no longer follow teams...free agency killed that for me when i was a teenager. I now follow individual players and root for them anytime they make good, smart plays on the court. Their lives off-court is none of my damn business.

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Old 05-20-2009, 07:17 AM
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By the way...i often moonlight as a technical director for on/off broadway shows in NYC...(the fella that controls the boards). Dr. J himself comes to see several shows i've worked on as he's an avid follower of theater...that and he's "friends" with some of the gals in the productions. Long story long...i've had several b-ball conversations with him and he's acknowledged that he believes the best basketball player currently in the world is Kobe. He made a very valid point, not to compare him with Jordan but something to take note of. He mentioned that there were several players that were able to effectively defend Jordan in his prime...players like Joe Dumars, Mitch Ritchmond, Clyde Drexler ...however, there isn't a single player, currently, that can effectively guard Kobe. And if there is, in a particular game or series, Kobe seems to make adjustments to control the matchup with an assassin-like mentality.

This was from the Dr. himself...and i couldn't argue as it's a valid point. Several other past players have reverberated the same, that Kobe is currently the best player in the world, including one of my all time favorite Tar Heel point guards, Kenny Smith, who played alongside Jordan.

Jerry West feels otherwise but he raises some good points as Lebron may edge Kobe in distributing the ball within offensive and scoring execution (assists). If Miami Heat were in the post-season, i assume D. Wade would be in similar debates.

There are great points in this thread but, StartX5, i believe most of your points are base-less and fueled by a dis-like of Kobe. If you feel otherwise, you need to expound on your statements. I suggest you join a neighborhood YMCA basketball league or tournament for just one season...then circle back with your thoughts...I guarantee there will be a different perspective.

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damn i'm praying stepen curry falls to the knicks!!!!

please...

he's gonna be the biggest sleeper in this wack ass draft.
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