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Old 06-30-2009, 03:51 PM
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I will back off, but I would love to hear some of you just admit that he was doing some creepy stuff and not let your love for his music completely blind you. I am not going to be like the media and completely do a 180 on the guy just because he is passed. Although, I too have good memories of MJ like 99% of the rest of my generation.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:13 PM
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I will back off, but I would love to hear some of you just admit that he was doing some creepy stuff and not let your love for his music completely blind you. I am not going to be like the media and completely do a 180 on the guy just because he is passed. Although, I too have good memories of MJ like 99% of the rest of my generation.

Exactly which media are you talking about? I have yet to see any network do any 180. Within hours after his death, multiple networks were running old feeds about the allegations and trials, and still are. The "media" has yet to tell the story of the first accuser recanting his story. Precisely why i prefer to do my own research, here's a couple for a start:

GQ Article – WAS MICHAEL JACKSON FRAMED?

Jackson Accuser in Court Against Dad

Sheeple (people) are so quick to jump to conclusions, without doing their own research, assuming as so many have, that 'where there is smoke there is fire'.

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Old 06-30-2009, 04:34 PM
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Exactly which media are you talking about? I have yet to see any network do any 180. Within hours after his death, multiple networks were running old feeds about the allegations and trials, and still are. The "media" has yet to tell the story of the first accuser recanting his story. Precisely why i prefer to do my own research, here's a couple for a start:

GQ Article – WAS MICHAEL JACKSON FRAMED?

Jackson Accuser in Court Against Dad

Sheeple (people) are so quick to jump to conclusions, without doing their own research, assuming as so many have, that 'where there is smoke there is fire' and jumping to conclusions.
For the past decade he was known as wacko and quite honestly, he was irrelevant as a musician. He really hadn't had a good song in years and pretty much all publicity was negative. Now once again he is the greatest and so on. People are going to view things in different ways, and I guess you and I are seeing the media differently because most of the coverage that I have seen (numerous channels) has been positive.

But seriously...nothing creepy to you? I don't need the media to tell me it is creepy. In my personal opinion, a grown man sleeping with random kids either A) in his bed with him or B) on the floor next to his bed (if you believe that) while they are in it is very strange. Like I said adult guests are one thing, but I would bet the farm that any other random dude doing this with kids would be a weirdo to most people and to think that things went furhter than what he is admitting to wouldn't be a stretch by any means for most.
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For the past decade he was known as wacko and quite honestly, he was irrelevant as a musician. He really hadn't had a good song in years and pretty much all publicity was negative. Now once again he is the greatest and so on. People are going to view things in different ways, and I guess you and I are seeing the media differently because most of the coverage that I have seen (numerous channels) has been positive.

But seriously...nothing creepy to you? I don't need the media to tell me it is creepy. In my personal opinion, a grown man sleeping with random kids either A) in his bed with him or B) on the floor next to his bed (if you believe that) while they are in it is very strange. Like I said adult guests are one thing, but I would bet the farm that any other random dude doing this with kids would be a weirdo to most people and to think that things went furhter than what he is admitting to wouldn't be a stretch by any means for most.
Known as wacko by whom? who coined that nonsense? National Enquirer?

And whom exactly was he irrelevant to, you? Certainly not me. In just about every bit of production work i've done in my lifetime and within the same 10 year period, i've taken, borrowed, stolen so many concepts from him it's impossible to name and number. Within this same 10 year period, i've seen and heard so much of MJ in many relevant artists that he obviously influenced.

What's creepy may be the parents pushing their children on to him and letting their children sleepover a strangers home. What exactly are you digging for? For me to agree with you that he was weird? We all have our own shortcomings and idiosyncrasies...MJ's just happened to play out in the public eye.

If his so-called "wackoness" is what gave him such godly talent, then i also want to be weird and "wacko"

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Known as wacko by whom? who coined that nonsense? National Enquirer?

And whom exactly was he irrelevant to, you? Certainly not me. In just about every bit of production work i've done in my lifetime and within the same 10 year period, i've taken, borrowed, stolen so many concepts from him it's impossible to name and number.

What's creepy may be the parents pushing their children on to him and letting their children sleepover a strangers home. What exactly are you digging for? For me to agree with you that he was weird? We all have our own shortcomings and idiosyncrasies...MJ's just happened to play out in the public eye.

If his so-called "wackoness" is what give him such godly talent, then i also want to be weird and "wacko"
I am not sure who coined the term Wack-Jacko, but it sure stuck, everyone knows it and there is definately some truth to it. I mean, come on chilli...Elephant Man bones, pet chimps, amusement park in his back yard, plastic surgery out a$$, faked heterosexual relationships (and kisses on TV), strange sleep overs with kids, naming his own kid Blanket, dangling his child off of a balcony, showing up to court in pajamas, etc. The wacko list goes on and on, but you are chosing to to admit that for some reason. Yes, we all have our shortcomings and idiosyncrasies, but come on. He had WAY more than the average guy. It is blatantly obvious that you are not going to admit this for some reason and it is almost comical now.

I agree with you that the parents were idiots for allowing their kids to stay, but IMO, if you don't think that a 40-year old man having sleepovers with children in the same bed and/or room isn't creepy, then you either A) can't take of the blinders or B) are creepy yourself.
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I suspect none of us on here know for sure whether he done anything indecent with children but because of his persona, created by Michael himself and the media a lot of people choose to believe that he did.


I certainly do not know where the fact stops and the fiction starts re the Michael Jackson "life" story.

I don't think much of his father that's for sure. I don't think Michael was that fond of him either, some say that's where all Michaels "problems" stem from, that and his fame from a very young age.

There is no doubt he was talented maybe his music was not to everyones taste but he did have talent and he could dance. I think his gigs in London would have been awesome.

Still x amount of days after his death the pantomime that surrounds him the is still very prevelant (secrets, facts, fiction) and this time round the guy is dead so he can't be blamed.

Maybe Gladys Knight is correct that we are all to blame for his life and his death.
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I have to look up who engineered his stuff. I forgot.......

Edit I just remembed it was "Bruce Swedien"

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For the past decade he was known as wacko and quite honestly, he was irrelevant as a musician. He really hadn't had a good song in years and pretty much all publicity was negative. Now once again he is the greatest and so on. People are going to view things in different ways, and I guess you and I are seeing the media differently because most of the coverage that I have seen (numerous channels) has been positive.

But seriously...nothing creepy to you? I don't need the media to tell me it is creepy. In my personal opinion, a grown man sleeping with random kids either A) in his bed with him or B) on the floor next to his bed (if you believe that) while they are in it is very strange. Like I said adult guests are one thing, but I would bet the farm that any other random dude doing this with kids would be a weirdo to most people and to think that things went furhter than what he is admitting to wouldn't be a stretch by any means for most.
Irrelevant? Because he hasn't had a hit in a few years?

Is Elvis irrelevant? How about Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Freddie Mercury, Chuck Berry, Jerry Garcia, John Lennon, Jim Morrison, Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis?

All of them had problems from being drug fiends to child molesters (and certainly haven't had hits in a few decades). Elvis was both. Regardless, Elvis is still regarded as "The King" without debate.

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Old 06-30-2009, 05:45 PM
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Irrelevant? Because he hasn't had a hit in a few years?
Yes, king of pop hadn't had a hit in 10+ years. He was hardly ever in the spotlight except for doing something asinine or being accused of something. His star was fading. The King of Pop wasn't in the pop lime-light anymore. I would call that somewhat irrelevant with regard to pop culture. Are you trying to tell me he was as popular or relevant as he was in the late 80's early 90's? Really? How many times did you listen to any of your MJ albums, CD's, tapes in the past 10 years. I bet like most peoples, yours were collecting dust and only now they are breaking them out again.
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Another forgotten gem...BEN won a Golden Globe for Best Song and was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Original Song.

Funny thing, to me, is BEN is about a Killer rat, LOL! But what i really love about this song is the incredible instrumentation...I'm a sucker for such arrangements.

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