Fair enough, but once again, just because it is convenient, you choose do it frequently and it becomes routine, doesn't make it a right.

I am only on this soap box because you compared the screenings to giving up liberty. While I think it is fair to disagree with these scans and pat downs (especially for frequent flyers), I think it is silly to start complaining that your freedom is being challenged or taken away.

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It's silly for me to complain? Silly of me to complain that i've been told that when i purchased my ticket, i gave up my rights? Those are not my words but TSA's.

Shall i assume that the congressmen and women who are now saying these new procedures violate the 4th amendment, are also silly?

I already said it is fair to personally disagree with the screening techniques used. However, I do think you are being silly by saying your rights are being taken away. You don't have to fly. It is your choice. I really don't know how else to say it. If you choose to fly, it is on their terms, not yours and you know this upfront. Thing is you have the choice. You are not forced to agree to their terms. You only have to agree if you want to use their services.

Also, as a traveler, isn't it my right to feel safe and know that the latest and best screening methods are being applied to all passengers?

I know you are in the law profession, so I assume you have read the rules, regulations and discalimers on just about any commercial service you agree to these days right? How is that any different than agreeing to the airline discalimers?

You always have the choice of using a private airline if you are unhappy with the commercial services offered.

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The rigorous patdowns are being done, "randomly", even if one has gone through the body scanner; and, if one refuses the BS, I have read/heard from friends, that the patdowns are very rigorous and overly thorough.

Our 7 1/2 yr granddaughter waltzed through the metal detector(s) at the Asheville airport, but was 'selected' and pulled aside for a patdown, (though not of the crotch feel-up method); this happened over Labor Day weekend when she was going back to EWR after visiting us. She thought it was funny, we thought it was utter bullshit.

As for the EL Al system, do some reading: they have security, trained and paid much better than the TSA ex-burger flippers, and the "questioning techniques" are very well done, as is the profiling. And, from friends that have flown to Israel in the past year, one has to get to airport hours in advance. So, it is not quite as efficient, time-wise, as that vid suggests.

The Jihad azzholes are sitting in their caves, laughing up their sleeves, over this new "technological level" of "security", imo. I am not anti-scan, but it is a pricey artificial fix, that will not hold off the bad guys...back at the Flying Ranch, air cargo, even on commercial flights, is a ticking b o m b.

I feel for ChillyWilly and anyone that has to fly regularly; I did too, but mostly pre-9-11, and seldom fly now, as a retired bum. I used to stroll on at EWR or JFK or LGA, with about 2 mins to spare, my upgrade and Conti or United Plat card in hand. I cannot imagine flying several times per week, now, for a living.
GL, mD

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Seth...You're obviously either not following the story or not reading my posts. Law profession? Where do you gather that? You've made your point yet continue to repeat yourself...you're not a traveler and don't mind giving up your rights, agree to disagree, got it. Now, I've answered your questions, care to answer mine?

Lastly, and again...i'm RESPONDING to my rights being taken away so if in your eyes, it's complaining, so be it. In case you didn't read my previous posts...The TSA is saying that you lose your rights when you purchase a ticket so i'm silly for repeating it, i get your point so we can continue to disagree or you can continue repeating yourself.

MD...there was a recent announcement that no patdowns will be given to age 12 and under. Regarding your comment of El Al...i have friends and clients that have experienced it and although, yes, it's necessary to arrive an hour or two than usual...they seem to prefer that method vs the TSA's, in which one has to arrive just as early anyway. In contrast, the scan doesn't move the lines any faster. Several times i went through the medal detector without a patdown and noticed the same person was still in the scan room from when i was 4-5 people behind, in the medal detector lane.

I personally don't expect the TSA to keep me safe as a last line of defense in airline travel. What acts of terror have they managed to stop or foil in the last 10 years with their methods? I believe it requires the involvement of the intelligence community etc...or better trained personnel, as a start. If one thinks the TSA makes them feel safer in the air, best of luck to you and yours.

That's right, music industry or something, sorry.

Yes, I do think the congressmen and women are being silly as well. Apparently, they and you are in the minority as over 80% of Americans are fine with the scanning machines.

Poll: 4 in 5 Support Full-Body Airport Scanners - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

We are never going to agree, so I will agree to disagree at this point.

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I voted for him, but he never got the Republic an support he needed.

But all the current ridiculous security at the airports because politcal correctness won't allow security to use logic or profiling we all have to suffer...

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