2011 Mustang GT 5.0/BOSS 302... - Page 2

motordavid · #11 01-14-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nom3rcy

Meh, as soon as you get out on the track you change tires and suspension and everything else so the cars are pretty equal anyways. The thing that matters is the person behind the wheel.

What I give BMW kudos for, is making a car that is as fast and capable as it is, but also loaded with technology and finished far better, with nicer materials and build quality.

The Ford is great and fast and all but other than that it has nothing to offer compared to the BMW.

Not a Mustang fanboi, but I am impressed with them, and with M3s...
but a loaded Gt 5.0 is barely half the price of a fairly optioned M3, so
it is really not an apple to apple comparo point, vis a vis your comment, imo.
GL, mD

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SANguru · #12 01-14-2011, 06:26 PM

well ford did make the Ford GT...

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Originally Posted by nom3rcy

Meh, as soon as you get out on the track you change tires and suspension and everything else so the cars are pretty equal anyways. The thing that matters is the person behind the wheel.

What I give BMW kudos for, is making a car that is as fast and capable as it is, but also loaded with technology and finished far better, with nicer materials and build quality.

The Ford is great and fast and all but other than that it has nothing to offer compared to the BMW.

FSETH · #13 01-14-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by motordavid

Not a Mustang fanboi, but I am impressed with them, and with M3s...
but a loaded Gt 5.0 is barely half the price of a fairly optioned M3, so
it is really not an apple to apple comparo point, vis a vis your comment, imo.
GL, mD

Yep. That is why it is impressive for the regular Mustang GT to hang with the M3. Especially on the track and not just a straight line.

FSETH · #14 01-14-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nom3rcy

Meh, as soon as you get out on the track you change tires and suspension and everything else so the cars are pretty equal anyways. The thing that matters is the person behind the wheel.

What I give BMW kudos for, is making a car that is as fast and capable as it is, but also loaded with technology and finished far better, with nicer materials and build quality.

The Ford is great and fast and all but other than that it has nothing to offer compared to the BMW.

There are many reasons why the M3 is more expensive. It is more refined, luxurious, precise, rare (compared to a Mustang GT anyway), etc, but even though I am a BMW fanboi, I have to give this new Mustang credit. If I were shopping for cars and I had the money to drop on a new e92 M3, the Mustang wouldn't even be an afterthought, but there is a pretty substantial price difference between the two and if performance is your priority and you don't have new M3 money, but still want to buy new...

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I am a BMW fanboi, so I would probably end up buying a used e46 M3, 335i, 135i or even an e46 330i ZHP before buying a Mustang, but out of all the current "muscle cars", it is the one that appeals to me the most.

JCL · #15 01-14-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FSETH

Yeah, that's what I mean. At the end of the day it is a great accomplishment for Ford that the regular GT can keep pace with an M3 in a track setting, but how could upgrading the rear axle to a more modern setup be a bad thing as far as performance is concerned? I can't even think of another current sports car with a live axle. At some point, this design has to limit what the car is capable of in a track setting. It seems like the only pro's for a live axle are that it is cheaper, more durable and better for dragracing.

Most of those comments about a live rear axle could also be made about an (unsophisticated) strut-type front suspension. The design was introduced for reduced cost and improved packaging reasons. BMW stuck with it for years, and optimized it to the point that the cars actually handled pretty well, even though they had front struts.

JCL · #16 01-14-2011, 07:52 PM

I'm not in the market for a Mustang, but I think it is impressive what Ford has done with it.

Mine would be green, like Eleanor.

FSETH · #17 01-14-2011, 07:57 PM

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FSETH · #18 01-14-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Most of those comments about a live rear axle could also be made about an (unsophisticated) strut-type front suspension. The design was introduced for reduced cost and improved packaging reasons. BMW stuck with it for years, and optimized it to the point that the cars actually handled pretty well, even though they had front struts.

Point taken, but were they the last hold out on updating to a more modern design and if so, was it years and years after everyone had switched?

Jordo · #19 01-14-2011, 08:10 PM

I have always been a mustang fan. The biggest selling point in my eyes is the bang for the buck. I was so excited to bring up the price part about the mustang (and was pissed that you guys beat me too it, lol)

But think of it this way.....

With the difference in price from the mustang to the M3..... Imagine what you could do to that stang if you dropped $20k into it.?!?!?!

That mustang would not only out proform the M3 in every way (minus fit and finish and the high quality as a daily driver) but I would put money that it could take the vette!

JCL · #20 01-14-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FSETH

Point taken, but were they the last hold out on updating to a more modern design and if so, was it years and years after everyone had switched?

No, they weren't the last hold out. Porsche is still using them, I believe. BMW finally moved away from the struts with the E70, the new 5, and the new 7. I think just the 'economy' models use them now.

It doesn't both you even a little that the M3 is using an antiquated suspension design made popular on the first generation Ford Consul? I grew up riding in these, as my parents had both a Series I and then a Series II Consul.

If it doesn't bother you, then we are focusing on the fact that the M3 drives brillliantly, no matter what the heritage of the front suspension design. That is what I am saying about the Mustang, if it performs so well then does it really matter that it is a live rear axle?

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