Gun Topic/Debate - Page 11

Ricky Bobby · #**101** 03-06-2016, 10:26 AM

^^ Lol @ Walther never missing, omg I love Hickok45 - he is the man, partially the reason why the Hoppe's stays in my gun cleaning kit and I just use Ballistol on everything. I probably base a lot of my purchasing on his videos and reviews, for example he loved shooting the 10/22 Takedown and was super impressed with it.

The Browning you are correct is super valuable being in a box and never fired, heck that case alone is probably worth half of the guns value itself since its still new, what a gorgeous leather case!

You're not kidding, I just got finished cleaning and lubing 30 years worth of corrosion and grime out and holy friggin crap with this Italian pistol - the slide racks smoother than my 6 year old Taurus 1911, not a single piece loose or rattling, and man it just goes back together so tight, at first when reassembling I was like "am I gonna hurt anything?" but wow, super impressed. I'll post up a pic when I get my walnut grips in, they just shipped yesterday - can't wait to put some rounds through it to "wake it up" a bit and then strip and clean it again.

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TiAgX5 · #**102** 03-06-2016, 11:16 AM

Yeah, Hickok45 has probably forgotten more about guns then I will ever know.

I've fired several striker fired handguns (mostly Glocks), never found one I was willing to own, the PPQs trigger changed that in an instant.

The take-up (super smooth/no creep), break (like a small glass rod inside the gun shattering at around 4lbs) and reset (around 3/16") is incredible. I've fired semi-autos with several hundred dollar trigger jobs that didn't feel as good as Walthers "out of box" Q trigger.

After 50 rounds, found I was more accurate at 25yds (2" groups) with the unfamiliar Walther vs my Sig 227 (off bench bags). The PPQs has a 4.35 barrel, yet groups like a 6. barrel.

Never thought I would say I found a carry gun "boringly accurate", but that's how it feels.

edogg · #**103** 03-06-2016, 11:44 AM

I had the opportunity to try a PPQ a few years ago and was surprised at how easy it shot. It definitely has a smooth trigger. It's pretty big and clunky though. The lines remind me of a Hi Point.

At one point I was interested in a single stack subcompact and tried the PPS. That's another good shooting gun. It handles very well for being so small. The mag release is kind of screwy though. It is 2 little levers on the bottom of the trigger guard that you pull down. Basically the same as an H&K USP. It would take lots of training to get used to that since I'm ~20ish years familiar with a push button mag release.

Walther tends to make some pretty damn good stuff. Though Gun Tests recently did a comparison (can't remember which Walther, will update if I find the article again) to the new Glock 43 and had nothing but problems with the Walther and didn't recommend it.

If you're not familiar with Gun Tests magazine, it's the Consumer Reports of guns. No ads and in-depth tests.

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ylwjacket · #**104** 03-06-2016, 12:06 PM

hicock45 is great. Here's my new EDC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH3tJrK2ma4

edogg · #**105** 03-06-2016, 12:18 PM

Just found the Gun Tests article. It was the Walther CCP that they had problems with.

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TiAgX5 · #**106** 03-06-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by edogg

I had the opportunity to try a PPQ a few years ago and was surprised at how easy it shot. It definitely has a smooth trigger. It's pretty big and clunky though. The lines remind me of a Hi Point.

At one point I was interested in a single stack subcompact and tried the PPS. That's another good shooting gun. It handles very well for being so small. The mag release is kind of screwy though. It is 2 little levers on the bottom of the trigger guard that you pull down. Basically the same as an H&K USP. It would take lots of training to get used to that since I'm ~20ish years familiar with a push button mag release.

Walther tends to make some pretty damn good stuff. Though Gun Tests recently did a comparison (can't remember which Walther, will update if I find the article again) to the new Glock 43 and had nothing but problems with the Walther and didn't recommend it.

If you're not familiar with Gun Tests magazine, it's the Consumer Reports of guns. No ads and in-depth tests.

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I prefer the big grip feel, love how the DE 50AE feels (I wear XXL gloves).

Hahaha, Hi Point! The official firearm of criminals looking for a cheap gun to throw away during the police chase.

edogg · #**107** 03-06-2016, 06:16 PM

For what it's worth, I hear that Hi Point's customer service is second to none. Which is surprising for a cheap company.

I wouldn't mind having one of their canines.

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TiAgX5 · #**108** 03-07-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by edogg

For what it's worth, I hear that Hi Point's customer service is second to none. Which is surprising for a cheap company.

I wouldn't mind having one of their canines.

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The Hi Point is ok as a range/target gun.

The lack of a true slide release (hard slide pull back after mag swap to chamber round), stiff/no detent safety (quick/low light/no look operation is a roll of the dice) and poor brass ejection, firing pin does double duty as ejector

(even after 400 rounds, double the 200 round Hi-Point recommended break-in), all make it a poor self defense choice.

The best customer service in the world means little if it fails to operate quick/correctly in a life or death situation, and regular FTF issues/gritty trigger feel aren't covered. And the SCCY warranty goes one better then Hi-Points, includes free replacement if lost/stolen.

Most who carry avoid guns like Hi-Points, even for range time. Those who carry and train smart, range operate the guns they carry to remain proficient. I would not want a life or death situation after operating the Hi-Point at the range (carrying the Sig 227, need a mag swap, then be yanking on the slide wondering why it's not going into battery, totally forgetting the slide release lever).

The need for a bench vise, hammer and drift punch to break down/field strip? Totally retarded.

When your life's at it's Lo-Point, you need a Hi-Point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNx0Ql2ZZw

edogg · #**109** 03-07-2016, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5

The Hi Point is ok as a range/target gun.

The lack of a true slide release (hard slide pull back after mag swap to chamber round), stiff/no detent safety (quick/low light/no look operation is a roll of the dice) and poor brass ejection, firing pin does double duty as ejector

(even after 400 rounds, double the 200 round Hi-Point recommended break-in), all make it a poor self defense choice.

The best customer service in the world means little if it fails to operate quick/correctly in a life or death situation, and regular FTF issues/gritty trigger feel aren't covered. And the SCCY warranty goes one better then Hi-Points, includes free replacement if lost/stolen.

Most who carry avoid guns like Hi-Points, even for range time. Those who carry and train smart, range operate the guns they carry to remain proficient. I would not want a life or death situation after operating the Hi-Point at the range (carrying the Sig 227, need a mag swap, then be yanking on the slide wondering why it's not going into battery, totally forgetting the slide release lever).

The need for a bench vise, hammer and drift punch to break down/field strip? Totally retarded.

When your life's at it's Lo-Point, you need a Hi-Point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNx0Ql2ZZw

Don't get me wrong - I'm not advocating for a Hi Point as a self defense weapon. Nor am I in the market for one (other than a carbine might be a fun range toy, or a KelTec Sub 2000).

Glock is my carry gun of choice. And when I can't carry that (clothing choice or where I'm going), it's my NAA mini revolver as a "better than harsh words" option.

Too bad we're all scattered around the country. It would be fun to do an X gathering at a range.

TiAgX5 · #**110** 03-08-2016, 10:45 AM

Yeah, a range day get together would be fun.

I had a good laugh reading the "Hi-Points are awesome" fanboy responses to the above video. Some claim to range the gun every weekend for years.

Don't understand the false economics of a monthly ammo bill that exceeds the Hi-Point price! Buy a $150 gun, then spend over $2000 a year to feed it???

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