Gun Topic/Debate

edogg · #1 03-21-2016, 04:01 PM

I know you didn't ask me but I'm going to give you my 2 cents anyway.

What's your intended use for the Glock 30? Range toy? Carry gun?

Try shooting the Glock 30 before you buy it. Because it's a double stack .45acp, it's pretty thick. And it's a subcompact so it's pretty short. Those two things combined make it pretty uncomfortable to shoot.

Unless you HAVE to have a .45acp Glock, I'd give a close look at the Glock 26 if you want a compact pistol for defensive carry. It's 9mm so holds a few rounds more and has a thinner grip. And if you add a +1 or +2 round magazine extension, there's enough room for your pinky.

If you want something for the range in .45acp, then take a look at the Glock 21. It's the full size and much more pleasant to shoot. But in .45acp, I really prefer a 1911. The 1911 ergonomics are just perfect for the .45, which can't be matched by other styles.

Today's 9mm defensive ammo is really good. The Federal HST, for example, is fantastic. A lot of police agencies are switching back from .40 S&W to 9mm because the ammo performance has caught up with .40 S&W, 9mm is easier to shoot, and 9mm pistols hold more ammo.

The Ruger American is definitely an intriguing pistol. It's pretty new so there won't be much aftermarket support for it, though (e.g. holsters and magazines). And there isn't proven reliability yet. But being a Ruger, it's probably pretty good.

There are lots of striker fired pistols out now. Sig has the P320, Smith & Wesson makes the M&P series, and Springfield makes the Xd series. The world is your oyster.

Ricky Bobby · #2 03-21-2016, 05:01 PM

Alright edogg I edited my post as was asking both for your input

So here's the deal, my in-laws bought a house on the Outer Banks and we will be using it for vacations and what not, extended weekend trips, real nice place, they will eventually retire there, for now, they are working in NJ - my FiL is 70 so he'll be retiring sooner.

So, my local range does offer a non-resident Florida CCW course which would enable me to carry when visiting down in North Carolina (we also have my wifes best friend in Raleigh NC), as well as mD's neck of the woods (Asheville area) which we have been meaning to visit, but its also good for VA, GA (we both love Savannah GA) and obviously Florida.

Part of my reasoning for the Glock 30 is a smaller, reliable .45ACP that I could optionally carry in the future, albeit not regularly.

Now, do I already have a gun I can carry when I get that permit? Yes, my Taurus 605SS (cue the Brazilian junk music) shooting .357 mag should be able to be carried easily. I just was thinking of adding a slightly smaller semi-auto to the mix.

Walther has a few decent pistols out now that are more compact, all in 9mm, the PPS M2, the P99C AS, and the CCP (although that one just looks cheap to me). Again, I'm starting to find the more compact pistols are for the most part in 9mm.

I've always wanted a Glock, one that would be fun to shoot, and yes I am also considering the 21 Gen 4 to add another .45ACP. I just am not confident that I would be able to conceal a full sized duty size gun on the rare times I could if I was down south, I'm 5'7" 185lbs and do not have large hands in the least - which was what had me considering the Glock 30 with a couple Pearce Grip Extensions on the mags - Heck, Hickok45 loves it so you know its fun!

I'm going to look up the other Glocks in 9mm for comparison, but does that kind of help you for what I'm looking for?

As far as the Ruger American goes, yeah it is getting great reviews, great company, made here, good pricing and value, etc, but that is even bigger than a Glock 21 so that would be a strict HD/range gun anyway.

My thought was if I bought a Glock 30 to get over my Glock lust, I could get a Walther PPQ 45 and get over TiAg's lust of the trigger and he sultry descriptions of the PPQ lol!

You and TiAg are definitely helping me for sure, growing up all I knew about was Glocks, 1911's, and Pump actions - the polymer frame market is ridiculously huge in our present time.

edogg · #3 03-21-2016, 05:26 PM

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Alright edogg I edited my post as was asking both for your input

Haha no worries.

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

So here's the deal, my in-laws bought a house on the Outer Banks and we will be using it for vacations and what not, extended weekend trips, real nice place, they will eventually retire there, for now, they are working in NJ - my FiL is 70 so he'll be retiring sooner.

So, my local range does offer a non-resident Florida CCW course which would enable me to carry when visiting down in North Carolina (we also have my wifes best friend in Raleigh NC), as well as mD's neck of the woods (Asheville area) which we have been meaning to visit, but its also good for VA, GA (we both love Savannah GA) and obviously Florida.

Part of my reasoning for the Glock 30 is a smaller, reliable .45ACP that I could optionally carry in the future, albeit not regularly.

Now, do I already have a gun I can carry when I get that permit? Yes, my Taurus 605SS (cue the Brazilian junk music) shooting .357 mag should be able to be carried easily. I just was thinking of adding a slightly smaller semi-auto to the mix.

While I'm a bit of a gun snob, for defensive situations I will say that the gun you're carrying is better than the gun you've left at home.

In fact, I often carry a NAA mini-revolver for that reason.

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Walther has a few decent pistols out now that are more compact, all in 9mm, the PPS M2, the P99C AS, and the CCP (although that one just looks cheap to me). Again, I'm starting to find the more compact pistols are for the most part in 9mm.

The Walther PPS is nice. I rented one of those a while back and enjoyed shooting it. The ambidextrous mag release on the trigger guard will take some training to get used to, but it worked well.

I think it's one of my favorite subcompact, single stack 9mm's. And I liked it a lot better than the new Glock 43.

Avoid the CCP. The Gun Tests magazine which I mentioned previously did a comparison between that and the Glock 43. The CCP was super picky about ammo and did not cycle reliably. Not something you want in a defensive pistol.

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

I've always wanted a Glock, one that would be fun to shoot, and yes I am also considering the 21 Gen 4 to add another .45ACP. I just am not confident that I would be able to conceal a full sized duty size gun on the rare times I could if I was down south, I'm 5'7" 185lbs and do not have large hands in the least - which was what had me considering the Glock 30 with a couple Pearce Grip Extensions on the mags - Heck, Hickok45 loves it so you know its fun!

I'm going to look up the other Glocks in 9mm for comparison, but does that kind of help you for what I'm looking for?

Yup, that totally helps and makes sense. Since you want Glock or Walther, I'd suggest the Glock 26 or the Glock 19. The 26 is their subcompact, which is slightly smaller than the 30 and much more manageable. The 19 is their compact, which is easily concealable under a baggy shirt. Both are 9mm.

I don't know the Walther lineup very well but maybe they've got something that's the size of the 26 or 19. The PPS is about the size of the 26 but it's single stack so much slimmer. And the PPQ is big. Maybe they've got something in between, but I don't know.

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As far as the Ruger American goes, yeah it is getting great reviews, great company, made here, good pricing and value, etc, but that is even bigger than a Glock 21 so that would be a strict HD/range gun anyway.

My thought was if I bought a Glock 30 to get over my Glock lust, I could get a Walther PPQ 45 and get over TiAg's lust of the trigger and he sultry descriptions of the PPQ lol!

Or get a 1911 for your .45acp desires.

If budget is a consideration, Rock Island makes a decent 1911 for about $500. Or you can get a Springfield for a little more. Tons of good 1911 options.

Then save 9mm for the striker fired guns...

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You and TiAg are definitely helping me for sure, growing up all I knew about was Glocks, 1911's, and Pump actions - the polymer frame market is ridiculously huge in our present time.

Glad to be of help!

You're right that the plastic guns have taken over. And if you think that market is huge, check out the AR market nowadays. That one is INSANE!

Ricky Bobby · #4 03-22-2016, 09:40 AM

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Haha no worries.

While I'm a bit of a gun snob, for defensive situations I will say that the gun you're carrying is better than the gun you've left at home.

Agreed - the Taurus revolver I have has shot reliably and I haven't had issues with it, has a short 2" barrel - Pachmayr grips so I have a pinky rest, should be a nice gun for defense on the rare times I could carry south of MD -

The Walther PPS is nice. I rented one of those a while back and enjoyed shooting it. The ambidextrous mag release on the trigger guard will take some training to get used to, but it worked well. I think it's one of my favorite subcompact, single stack 9mm's. And I liked it a lot better than the new Glock 43.

I will watch the full Hickok45 video on it again but did they not do away with the paddle mag release on the M2 version of the PPS? I need to check it out again, yeah it does look slim and even with the full 8 round mag still not too tall of a gun, but not too compact.

Avoid the CCP. The Gun Tests magazine which I mentioned previously did a comparison between that and the Glock 43. The CCP was super picky about ammo and did not cycle reliably. Not something you want in a defensive pistol.

Agreed that one is out of the running for me, I watched a few shooting videos and such, I'm not a fan of contained bolts as well, when its stripped the bolt is captured for cleaning. The disassembly is a bit weird too with the tool provided (it might be same on the PPS but i'm not sure)

Yup, that totally helps and makes sense. Since you want Glock or Walther, I'd suggest the Glock 26 or the Glock 19. The 26 is their subcompact, which is slightly smaller than the 30 and much more manageable. The 19 is their compact, which is easily concealable under a baggy shirt. Both are 9mm.

I'll check out the 26 and 19 for sure, Glock website is blocked at work (Walther isn't go figure) but I'll do some researching in the coming weeks. Still definitely not opposed to a 21 (although not carryable for me) or a 30 as well.

I don't know the Walther lineup very well but maybe they've got something that's the size of the 26 or 19. The PPS is about the size of the 26 but it's single stack so much slimmer. And the PPQ is big. Maybe they've got something in between, but I don't know.

Yeah I did a bit of a comparison and if I ever got a PPQ or an American they are both bigger than the Glock 21, the HK VP9 is taller than the PPQ but the PPQ is taller than the Glock 21, thicker too. Would be good nightstand or range guns

Or get a 1911 for your .45acp desires.

If budget is a consideration, Rock Island makes a decent 1911 for about $500. Or you can get a Springfield for a little more. Tons of good 1911 options.

Already have a SS Taurus 1911 which I love and is at my bedstand now, its my "huckleberry" gun lol! I'd like a more high end one in the future but surprisingly both my Taurus' have been reliable for me - the recall I saw you mentioned were on pistols I don't own.

Then save 9mm for the striker fired guns... Understood - I kind of get what you're saying, I could get behind another "medium/full sized" in .45ACP and then a smaller pistol in 9mm.

Glad to be of help!

You're right that the plastic guns have taken over. And if you think that market is huge, check out the AR market nowadays. That one is INSANE!
God I wouldn't even know where to begin. I think I'm starting with the S&W MP15-22 because I have a ton of .22LR and its budget friendly and looks to be fun to shoot.

Also, they are most likely out of my price range but the XD Springfield series always looked like a sharp gun to me as well.

And TiAg thanks for your help as well - Hickok45 was even like "wow the PPQ its hard to miss with it!" in the video I saw, looked to be such a smooth and fun to shoot pistol.

TiAgX5 · #5 03-22-2016, 11:41 AM

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And TiAg thanks for your help as well - Hickok45 was even like "wow the PPQ its hard to miss with it!" in the video I saw, looked to be such a smooth and fun to shoot pistol.

Yeah, the PPQ is a "soft shooter" in 45acp.

Same bore axis as the Sig 227, yet less felt recoil shooting identical rounds (bullet weight/charge grain count).

One of the editors for a gun mag went to the Walther PPQ press release with a stitched injury on shooting hand. Walter provided a WIDE range of current market 45acp semi-autos to shoot "back to back" with the PPQ.
The writer found he could fire the PPQ with the least discomfort.

I've been "beating the bushes" here in TX to find a Beretta and/or Wilson Combat sponsored range event where the WC BT 92G Custom will be available for public trial. None of my contacts in the TX gun community own one, yet EVERYONE I talk to wants to shoot it!