Gun Topic/Debate

crystalworks · #11 04-08-2017, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by edogg

That's the thing... there isn't a law against it. In most states, including yours and mine, open carry is perfectly legal.

There's a good map here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open..._United_States

I hear you, and I wasn't necessarily arguing the current legality of open carry. More so the consideration for the other patrons of an establishment who aren't as comfortable with firearms as you might be. It doesn't hurt to just cover up the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

I only came in to post in agreement with Eric that Bloombergs "gun safety" group outspends the NRA in lobbying and campaigning in toss up states to chip away (Washington great example) - the actual 2A preservation crowd is outspent easily every election cycle, it's not even close.

And I can definitely believe that in his particular state of residence. There are lots of other places where the right outspends the left considerably. On many different issues. It's one of the reasons I believe money should not be a motivator in a political system... once Citizens United (what a name, has much less to do with Citizens and much more to do with special interests and corporations) passed everything started going down hill, and will continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Yes as a pseudo (I'm not for open borders) libertarian I believe in the 10th amendment which says the powers NOT delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states or to the people. I believe that this "well my state interprets the 2nd amendment differently" is a lot of BS. Look at poor New York. 95% of the state is vast rural up to Canada but Albany and NYC dictate the whole state. Surprisingly enough you can actually get a carry permit in NYS in the rural counties. But unless you are Schumer or Bloomberg himself (they have unrestricted carry permits) you would be a felon bringing it into the city. How well is the 1st Amendment regulated on the state level? Gay marriage is the "law of the land" yet not found in the Bill of Rights. Yet "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a hard enough sentence that needs 50 different types of interpretation? It's about control, and nothing else.

I hear you, and don't necessarily disagree with any of the above. I've always believed (well since being old enough to care about how our country runs) that the law should apply equally to our politicians/law makers. But it doesn't... and now that we have unlimited money pouring in from everywhere into our election processes that isn't likely to change anytime soon because it is so hard to get anyone out of office. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE TERM LIMITS??? Aaaarrrrgg. Oh, sorry... #triggered

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Joseph I for one would not want to use a table saw or an angle grinder without ear protection. Making suppressors available for the public will not enable all these law abiding owners to suddenly just wake up and say "now crime is so easy I need to go commit one"

LOL, I wasn't trying to say that suddenly law-abiding citizens would go out and commit crime. I couldn't think of a "good" reason not to allow silencers, just as I didn't believe there was any good reason to allow silencers. I'm pretty ambivalent about silencer legality as, for me, it's just another accessory for a weapon.

Oh, and again, the right has the best methods of naming their committees, coalitions, and legislature... "Hearing Protection Act."

Almost as good as CU.

So, I understand the gun enthusiasts plight (I am obviously not an enthusiast in firearms but am in other hobbies) and can understand the desire for firearms (and accessories) to be open, free, and available to like-minded individuals. But no matter how you slice it, guns are dangerous, and there will be a certain amount of legislation that goes along with that hobby.

Unfortunately in yours and Gregg's particular cases the pendulum has swung so far the other direction that it borders on making criminals out of hobbyists/enthusiasts as you have outlined. Is that unfair? Hell yes! Do we need to abolish all gun legislation and have 2A be completely unregulated? No.

I have guns here for protection, and that's it. I'm a decent shot, but do I go practice... no. Do I display my guns because I enjoy them... no. I'm the prius driver of gun ownership as they are just something that gets the job done for me. Which is funny because my dad says at least one of them is a pretty nice classic rifle.

To me, that one would just put a big hole (largest caliber gun I have) in someone that was trying to break into my house or car. Nothing more. But I still support those who do enjoy them, as you guys do, in their right to be able to enjoy their chosen money suck. Like I do with BMW's or electronics. All I'm asking is to pull a shirt over your gun when going into a place where families and kids are...

I do enjoy coming in here though and viewing all the firearm pron you guys post.

Even if I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time.