I agree with the judges ruling. The lawsuit was preposterous and hopefully the SC will see it the same way.

Just an observation though fellaz... the above style of rhetoric isn't doing gun enthusiasts any favors.

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Just playing devils advocate, but does the other side (not just gun issues) ever give 2 flying fucks about us? Please spare me the "rhetoric" phrase I've heard it enough over the past 18 months -

Yes I ended up voting for Trump although I only decided to about 3 weeks prior to the election, and I may just be sensitive now because I've been told what a stupid uneducated white person I am -

But yeah I can call a dumb lesbian CT state trooper exactly that with that stupid picture considering it was a lawsuit about whether a manufacturer of FIREARMS (not "weapons") was to be responsible for another individual's choice to kill someone with said firearm.

Flashing news break - family members of slain ISIS soldiers are going to do a class action lawsuit against Colt for manufacturing the M4 that slain their family members -


Sorry for the rant, I just am sick of being nice and cordial in general (no direction to you crystalworks as I think we see the same way) to the anti-gun people wearing safety pins (and the "elites" who sit on their high rises and lecture the masses how to live).

Until there are tons of blacks, Hispanics, and women shooting and us "uneducated white people" are the minority of gun enthusiasts, the same stereotype will be used tirelessly by the Bloomberg crowd and we will be looked at like a bunch of "gun nuts" driving trucks and doing tons of dip.

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I take my pistols home, strip, clean, lubricate, and then take to the range, not out of the box and start shooting.

Check to see if he is limp wristing, riding the mag release will just release the mag it won't jam the firearm. Also check his grip he may be riding the slide catch -

What type of "jam" was it?

Also, if a mag is inserted there is a tiny amount of side to side play (1mm or so) if you grab the base plate of the mag. Sounds like no issues to me.

Possible as well you were shooting some super light 115gr stuff, sometimes the WWB and UMC are loaded a bit lighter than the box says and might misfire. I usually get the 124gr stuff at $1 more a box or $20 more per case.


Both my Glocks have been flawless but I strip, clean and lubricate after each range session and I also do it on every new or used pistol I obtain.

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Well, I am in indy so can't answer for the left... but I'm guessing the answer to your question (and the reason they lost the election) is no, they don't (at least didn't) care. They learned a valuable lesson that inclusion is a much better tact than insult and dismissal. Cost them the oval office, the Supreme Court, and who knows how many Congressional seats.

I don't disagree, and certainly wouldn't say you "can't" say dumb lesbian CT state trooper... just that it doesn't really reflect well on the point you are trying to make. It reinforces the stereotype you say the left hangs on the group. That was all I was saying.

And personally, I can't stand Trump, but I can't stand Hillary either... so it was a lose, lose, lose, lose proposition for me. I certainly understand the frustration and why he got elected, even though it mortifies me (as it would if HRC was elected). I just hope the Trump voter's vessel for change turns out better than the left's vessel for change did over the last 8 years. If he surprises me, and does well, DJT will get my vote for a second term.

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So I guess as an independent, the million dollar question is did you vote lesser of two evils, did you vote out of fear out of the other candidate, did you vote someone third party, did you stay home, or did you write in?

I'm also non party affiliated and I don't want this to become an election ramble (although all our threads tend to be which I'm ok with), but I'm curious. I talked to a LOT of voters who apparently were staunch Bush era Republicans, telling me they HAD to vote for Hillary because they were in FEAR of Trump - literal FEAR. I was not in FEAR of Hillary, and unlike many others around me were not telling people they were voting for her out of fear of someone else - I decided that I could get by on "results may vary" for 4 years, and give him the chance to do some good - and if the Republicans pussyfoot around for another 4 years and nothing gets better or changed, then I would probably stay home for re-election.

Fear is very powerful, hence why I am currently reading this book as both sides exploit our fears (hence why you saw so many NRA ads talking about confiscation if Hillary came into office, the left always uses fear of overturning Roe v Wade, etc)

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Didn't vote out of fear, no, I voted my conscience. Stein. Texas was going to go Trump anyway. Was going to vote Johnson until he started demonstrating complete ineptitude.

I haven't watched GB in a long time... he was (maybe is) one of those who preys on fears. He's this generation's Rush. Let me know how the book is, maybe I'll give it a read.

Trump, Hillary, etc... a politician is a politician really. Unfortunately. Look at Trump so far. Not even in office yet but looks like he's backing down on many of the positions he took during the campaign. Obama did the same thing. The thing with our government now is that they don't participate in the same realities as even the wealthy anymore, let alone the average American. They float above the rest of the populace in an insulated bubble. It's gotten really unfortunate with the corruption of the electoral process with corporate money since Citizen's United (what a name huh?). Final totals are all over the map but for the presidential race I've seen from ~$900,000,000 all the way to $2,100,000,000 in spending. There's more wrong than just the money and lobbying, but it's probably the root source of most issues.

Unfortunately I don't see anything changing anytime soon as long as there is no campaign reform and we are force-fed the 2 party system.

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I agree with you on all fronts - I was going to vote Gary J but as hes an open borders libertarian I can't get behind him -

GB is not the man he was on Fox, on his own network now he's much different, one of the most anti-Trump messages out there during the entire primary was his program and he got hammered for it, but I understood why and I supported a lot of what he was saying, the skepticism. He is not this generation's Rush as I have been listening for almost a decade now, that would be someone like Hannity or Alex Jones.

Gary and Jill should have been in the debates, but you're right, with all the money in politics, we are sold the same garbage - I forget the tally but it was either 2008 or 2012 and it was lauded that just Obama's campaign and donors etc spent $1B to get him elected (or re-elected, I forget which, I think it was re-elected) -

That kind of money is absurd, hey at least Trump took all the free advertising.

And not for nothing as I know you voted for her, but Jill is being quite the pill with this recount - I get it, she wants to have money left over for the next campaign, but give me a break.

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Funny you mention that, I saw some GB interviews during the election and he seemed so much more mellow and even tempered. Much less "bible thumpery" as well for lack of a better term. Don't get me wrong, I was raised Roman Catholic, and though I am now agnostic/atheist, I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs. I just don't want those beliefs mixed with my politics. I may have to give that book a read (my dad will look at me like I'm crazy, he's an indy as well) just to see what he sounds like post Fox. Agreed Hannity was/is worse, though I am unfamiliar with Jones.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the ultimate motivation behind Jill pushing for the recounts is. There is little hope it would flip enough electoral votes to make a difference. Even if it did, I'm not sure I'd be any happier with that result. Would only add further fog and distrust to our electoral process. The current system really is set up to keep the status quo.

BTW, I watched a D'Souza documentary on Hillary and the Democrats the other day. WOW... that guy seems like he will say anything for the money. I was floored. And I think the pirate smiley is in order now...

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Define "jam". Did the spent case fail to extract from the chamber? Did the spent case fail to eject all the way out of the slide? Did the next bullet fail to go into the chamber properly? Did the next bullet try going into the chamber before the spent case was ejected (double feed)? Did the slide get all locked up that you couldn't move it?

Many times, limp wristing (i.e. not using a firm grip or managing the recoil) can cause failures.

Limp wristing ? | Glock Forum at GlockTalk.com

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