I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Depends where you live bcredliner. Here in San Antonio, at least 40-50% of the population wears a mask indoors, excepting in restaurants... because what's the point. A buddy from Houston was surprised when he came for a visit at all the masks. Said very few people wear them in Htown.

That said, we don't eat indoors at all with the kids. And only off hours with the wife and myself (<5 times in 18 months) with very little crowding. We'll turn around if the parking lot is too crowded. We homeschool also, which is a burden.

But I don't expect everyone to do what we do either, I'm sure we are overly cautious. Especially with positivity rates here so low (~2%), but we are cautious for ourselves as it helps us function at a semi-normal sanity level. Others can take as much risk as they deem fit. I hate Abbott (I dislike, and certainly distrust, most people in politics), but I'm not for a statewide (or nationwide) mandate on masks either. Businesses and employers can require them if they want. Abbott's EO to punish companies for vaccine mandates was in response to the Executive branch mandating companies over 100 require them.

Why am I against mandates? Well, government rarely surrenders powers granted to it. See the Patriot Act and FISA courts.

There have been many mandates addressing infectious diseases in the past. There are several vaccinations children must have before starting school. Measles and mumps are two examples. Those vaccinations are required so why not a COVID mandate for all?

I assume all of us would like to get closer to what was normal prior to COVID. But about 40% of the country has chosen not to be vaccinated for some reason or another, many are adamant, some even after the have had a severe case. Many have made their choice based on their political party association. Can't change that. The virus is not going to go away on its own. It's not something that will go quietly into the night.

If there isn't a federal mandate business all will be left to their own decision. What small or large businesses decide to do won't be consistent, the same for corporations. Sounds like a fantastic recipe for nationwide chaos. To those that don't believe the guidelines are correct or don't think vaccinations for all is the way to go, what do you think we should do?

The mandates for measles and mumps vaccines they were put in place when too many folks decided not to vaccinate their children on their own. It was to protect them from themselves and to protect the freedom of others. Freedom ends when it infringes on the freedom of others. I would prefer that there isn't a mandate but I would much rather have a mandate than having COVID continue to infringe on the freedom of all of us.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

There have been many mandates addressing infectious diseases in the past. There are several vaccinations children must have before starting school. Measles and mumps are two examples. Those vaccinations are required so why not a COVID mandate for all?

Certainly, vaccines to attend school, obviously should be a thing. Never said I was against that. Quite the opposite, I think we should remove exemptions from school vaccination requirements. Don't want to vaccinate your kids? No problem, pay for their private education.

But schools of children are not equivalent to businesses of adults. If an employee's company requires a vaccination, they have a choice. Likewise for employees whose company does not require vaccination. Either employee can choose to work there or not.

As far as fauci is concerned, I don't know how he still holds his position. He's lied to the public. And he's lied to Congress. I trust him as far as I can throw him. He has been in Washington too long.

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Aren't vaccinated people also still hosts as well? I am curious how as soon as the vaccine started circulating is when the delta variant miraculously popped up and cases started to rise?

Yes, the vaccinated public are still hosts. The purpose of the vaccine has gotten convoluted over time. Partially due to learning more over time. It's main purpose is to prevent hospitalization and death. Secondarily, it has a chance to prevent infection/carrier status, but to a smaller extent. I don't remember the percentages. I wouldn't read into the timing of Delta variant though.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Certainly, vaccines to attend school, obviously should be a thing. Never said I was against that. Quite the opposite, I think we should remove exemptions from school vaccination requirements. Don't want to vaccinate your kids? No problem, pay for their private education.



But schools of children are not equivalent to businesses of adults. If an employee's company requires a vaccination, they have a choice. Likewise for employees whose company does not require vaccination. Either employee can choose to work there or not.

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

99.7% survival rate

A 20 year previous 100% failed vaccine type that went start to finish in 9 months.

A 2%-5% chance of catching covid19 (+/- depending on area)

A 50/50 chance of either temporary dangerous, life threatening or permanent damage from vaccine side effects. 100% since you are being injected.

A.D.E. seems to be happening now and labeled as breakthrough cases same as Dengue vaccine issue that killed many children in Asia a few years ago.

Children (under 18) dying from covid19 in the USA is around 350 and many of them had other serious health problems such as cancer or severe asthma.

All the other vaccines we put into our children were tested and studied for years before approval and their risk of side effects are so low compared to admitted reactions (not self reported) as to be Russian roulette just on short term.

Suggest reading The Lancet, Harvard and various international studies to include the Israeli studies.

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[E53Envyy]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

99.7% survival rate

A 20 year previous 100% failed vaccine type that went start to finish in 9 months.

A 2%-5% chance of catching covid19 (+/- depending on area)

A 50/50 chance of either temporary dangerous, life threatening or permanent damage from vaccine side effects. 100% since you are being injected.

A.D.E. seems to be happening now and labeled as breakthrough cases same as Dengue vaccine issue that killed many children in Asia a few years ago.

Children (under 18) dying from covid19 in the USA is around 350 and many of them had other serious health problems such as cancer or severe asthma.

All the other vaccines we put into our children were tested and studied for years before approval and their risk of side effects are so low compared to admitted reactions (not self reported) as to be Russian roulette just on short term.

Suggest reading The Lancet, Harvard and various international studies to include the Israeli studies.

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And to think Ontario is mandating the vaccine for kids ages 5-12 to attend school soon...

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

I hear you. As in a previous post, I understand the hesitancy based on long term concerns.

But the vaccines have been in bodies now for 10 months. People have not been dying en masse, or having adverse affects in great numbers. Long term effects, if any, won't be known for years. I admitted, those choosing not to get vaccinated could prove to be geniuses. Everyone will have to make their own decision. All the other mandated vaccines started as long term unknowns also.

Schools can spread illness immensely fast. Vaccine mandates in schools is still something I think is necessary, and has been a thing for a very long time. Parents not wanting to vaccinate have a choice of private school or homeschooling. My wife and I have made that choice going on 2 years now. It's a burden, but if concerns are that high... Parents do what they feel is best.

[E53Envyy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

If there isn't a federal mandate business all will be left to their own decision. What small or large businesses decide to do won't be consistent, the same for corporations. Sounds like a fantastic recipe for nationwide chaos. To those that don't believe the guidelines are correct or don't think vaccinations for all is the way to go, what do you think we should do?

I'd invest in mass distribution of covid rapid tests to all citizens, businesses and schools. I'd then explain to people all the key information and be transparent about the tests - making sure that taking a test is extremely simple and easy. People would be recommended to take a test every three days or depending on their daily routine.

I would then invest into COVID air detectors and give those to businesses and schools.

After that, I would invest in covid treatments. Currently here in Ontario we are told to stay home if we feel sick and only when we're about to die should we seek treatment. Furthermore, if we suspect we have covid and are symptomatic we are told to get tested at the hospital and not allowed in a walk-in clinic or other testing facilities. If you didn't have covid before going to the hospital, you probably do after.



The drawback of the covid rapid tests is the cost (here in Ontario retail costs $15-20, wholesale is <$5) but in reality they could be reduced down to <$1 as it's a glorified test strip.

Another drawback is that people my be reluctant to take the test. I would do my best to show people how quick and easy a rapid test is, but I would not mandate anything. If people have concerns I would listen and not criticize them, changing my approach to better fit their needs.

I'd lift any mandates for everyone and impose a rapid test mandate on the schools.

Really the end goal is to invest into the covid air detection technology. Many company's claim to have a solution already so it's the difficulty of mass production. Once the air detectors are rolled out, the pressure on taking the rapid tests reduces and it's back to normal we go!


What do you think?

Edit: Oh, maybe imposing a mask mandate on people who do not show a valid recent rapid test. This way people are incentivized to take the test and it confirms to other people that if you do not have a mask on then you definitely do not have covid. Now this is a little extreme and I would think long and hard before imposing this mandate.