Obama comes out swinging

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by JCL

You just skipped all the facts again.

Check out McCain's own comments on his ability to use a keyboard. Illiterate doesn't mean lack of dexterity. Obama was making fun of him being out of touch. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I wasn't laughing at McCain, or Obama, just at how your first post backfired on you. Don't worry about it.

Oh, and can you get Stephen Hawking to run instead of Palin? That way the average IQ on the ticket would solve the current problem.

Sorry again...YOU missed the point. If you can't type on a keyboard you would not spend much time on a computer. Cause and effect.

This as a result of his service to America.

You don't seem to get it...

[Quicksilver]

Come on MrLabGuy.

I don't think Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer because McCain can't use a keyboard
due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. I don't think you find that language anywhere so give that a rest.

If anyone was making fun of his inability to use a computer it was for no other reason
but to point out that brotherman is out of touch with at least that part of what's going on in the world.
To make any more of it than that is frankly a weak argument.

To say that because Mr. McCain has any better judgement regarding the ability to run the government
just because he was a POW is off base as well.
No one i know of considers him a better candidate because of that.

Remember presidents are not elected because of their moral stand and their ability to
stand up under torture. While everyone admires that, in reality no one cares about that.

What people care about is what is your vision going forward? What are you going to do for me?
Retoric is the watchword. Who can sound the most convincing.
Who can sell dreams ( chicken in every pot kinda thing).
It's whose the most effective at playing the pipe and get everybody
dancing to their tune. The pied piper thing. It's all a big show.

Issues are irrelevant because everyone already knows that
you can promise all you want but in reality no one ever
really accomplishes what they set out to do. There are just
to many forces in place to prevent it.

It's fun to watch though. It's like going to a liers convention.

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer when the truth is McCain can't use a keyboard due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. His body is broken which is what we are talking about. It is said that everyone breaks under torture but McCain when left with an opportunity to go home said "no thanks"....It was not his turn. I don't consider that broken. His body is another story.

That sounds exactly like the person I want in the White House. The Obama camp made yet another mistake in an attempt to play dirty politics.

Nice of you to give him a pass.

[JCL]

The lack of intellectual discipline and rigor here is incredible. Just a couple of things that don't fit:

• I was laughing at MrLabGuy's post, not at McCain. MLG put his foot in it and put forth an argument that defeated his own point. Funny stuff. It is irrelevant which candidates we are talking about here, the logical fallacy was the entire point that of my comment.
• If not using a keyboard is reason for not knowing anything about computers (my original phrasing used the word illiterate, which was McCain's quote), why does showing a photo of Stephen Hawking at a computer support the premise that a physical disability is a reason to be ignorant of computers? That presumes that McCain has a physical disability, but let's leave that aside for a moment. Once again, MLG disproved his own point.

Debate much?

Now, back to the question that was skipped over in the race to label me a liberal that doesn't care about the disabled (hmmm, is that even possible?). What I wanted to know, since MLG introduced Stephen Hawking to the conversation, is how he could get him on the ticket instead of Palin.

[MrLabGuy]

Quick and JCL.

Of course Obama did not "intentionally" make fun of McCain's disability in an "attack" political ad he approved. Fact is if they did some research they would have found out that he is unable to use a computer keyboard due to his war injuries. It was a dumb ad and a dumb move on his part and that was my point.

Sure McCain makes fun of his own computer illiteracy; however, in 2000 it was made clear in Slate and the Boston Globe the reasons why he does not use a computer and is therefore computer illiterate.

Obama making fun of that fact whether or not intentional is making fun of his disability. Then you JCL come back with a hit on me that I'm supporting someone disabled which basically you saying someone disabled should not hold office.

Your intent is pretty clear.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Come on MrLabGuy.

I don't think Obama was making fun of his inability to use a computer because McCain can't use a keyboard
due to having his hands broken in a prisoner of war camp. I don't think you find that language anywhere so give that a rest.

If anyone was making fun of his inability to use a computer it was for no other reason
but to point out that brotherman is out of touch with at least that part of what's going on in the world.
To make any more of it than that is frankly a weak argument.

To say that because Mr. McCain has any better judgement regarding the ability to run the government
just because he was a POW is off base as well.
No one i know of considers him a better candidate because of that.

Remember presidents are not elected because of their moral stand and their ability to
stand up under torture. While everyone admires that, in reality no one cares about that.

What people care about is what is your vision going forward? What are you going to do for me?
Retoric is the watchword. Who can sound the most convincing.
Who can sell dreams ( chicken in every pot kinda thing).
It's whose the most effective at playing the pipe and get everybody
dancing to their tune. The pied piper thing. It's all a big show.

Issues are irrelevant because everyone already knows that
you can promise all you want but in reality no one ever
really accomplishes what they set out to do. There are just
to many forces in place to prevent it.

It's fun to watch though. It's like going to a liers convention.

Again...Read my last post. Obama did not intentionally make fun of his disability but the reality is he ended up doing so anyway. That was my point. If you are going to run an attack ad then it is best to do your homework.

Pretty weak of you if you can't see the logic in this argument.

Secondly. You are assuming that I'm voting for McCain for one issue if you think that my only focus is in time spent in captivity. You would be wrong. That aspect of his character is admirable but not reason enough to expect he would make a great commander in chief.

[Quicksilver]

Either he did or he didn't say it. Insert my truth here where it's convienent to support an argument. For example some folks around here characterized Obama's comments this way

"Obama better hope McCain does not point out the truth about his handicap and scold him for making fun of his war injuries".

When did Obama ever make fun of McCain's war injuries?
The truth is Obama never did and to say he did is a lie.

If you're going to argue a point please stick to the facts.

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Again...Read my last post. Obama did not intentionally make fun of his disability but the reality is he ended up doing so anyway. That was my point. If you are going to run an attack ad then it is best to do your homework.

Pretty weak of you if you can't see the logic in this argument.

Secondly. You are assuming that I'm voting for McCain for one issue if you think that my only focus is in time spent in captivity. You would be wrong. That aspect of his character is admirable but not reason enough to expect he would make a great commander in chief.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Either he did or he didn't say it. Insert my truth here where it's convienent to support an argument. For example some folks around here characterized Obama's comments this way

"Obama better hope McCain does not point out the truth about his handicap and scold him for making fun of his war injuries".

When did Obama ever make fun of McCain's war injuries?
The truth is Obama never did and to say he did is a lie.

If you're going to argue a point please stick to the facts.

Fact: Obama was making fun of McCain in an attack ad for being out of touch by pointing out that he was computer illiterate.

Fact: McCain has a hard time using a keyboard as well as many tasks which require dexterity due to his torture in a prisoner of war camp.

Fact: If you can't use a keyboard it is very unlikely that you will become good at using a computer.

Fact: Age is not really a factor when it comes to being able to use a computer. (You're an example of that).

Fact: His attack ad was trying to show he was out of touch by not using a computer when the real reason is his disability. This information about his limitations did not just come out...It came to light in 2000 by two separate sources.

Fact: His attack ad intentional or not was wrong and he unknowingly made fun of his disability.

Why is that so hard to admit?

[Quicksilver]

Point out the information where Obama said that he was computer illiterate
due to his disability because of torture in a prisoner of war camp.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Point out the information where Obama said that he was computer illiterate
due to his disability because of torture in a prisoner of war camp.

[Kewl X5]

You know what, does it really matter who runs the country these days!! A bunch of empty promises and lies. Everyone is out for their own interest these days. I don't see any difference in the country whether we had a Republican or Democrat for a President or whether the majority of Congress was Democrat or Republican. The Democrats promised they would change things taking over Congress...did they? The Republicans promised change 8 years ago, did they? The country had economic downturn whether it was a Democrat in charge (Carter) or Republican (G.W. Bush). Now, each side are calling each side a liar over trivial things....I want to hear what each person's real plan in fixing our problems. Politics these days are just nasty and we are becoming like Rome right before the Roman Empire fell...