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Old 10-22-2008, 05:38 PM
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Same way I feel about labor unions, great ideas when the concepts didn't exist. Now that they exist...remove the government RULE.
So you are saying that the government is needed to start these policies, and once the policies are in the marketplace, then you can get rid of the laws?

Interesting concept.

However, I suspect that over time these policies would gradually disappear and eventually things would be back to the way they were before.

As for labor unions, our government has consistantly acted on the side of industry and has passed laws to limit what labor unions are allowed to negotiate. If you are in favor of having a "free market", then labor unions should be allowed to negotiate without government interference.


A big issue with all of this is enforcement of anti-trust laws. Anti-trust laws have pretty much been ignored for the last 50+ years. I would be much more willing to accept what the "free market" dictates if there was indeed a free market. But when large companies form monopolies over industry, you no longer have a free market. In these cases, without government enforced legislation to protect public safety, there will be none.
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Old 10-22-2008, 05:43 PM
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So you are saying that the government is needed to start these policies, and once the policies are in the marketplace, then you can get rid of the laws?

Interesting concept.

However, I suspect that over time these policies would gradually disappear and eventually things would be back to the way they were before.

As for labor unions, our government has consistantly acted on the side of industry and has passed laws to limit what labor unions are allowed to negotiate. If you are in favor of having a "free market", then labor unions should be allowed to negotiate without government interference.


A big issue with all of this is enforcement of anti-trust laws. Anti-trust laws have pretty much been ignored for the last 50+ years. I would be much more willing to accept what the "free market" dictates if there was indeed a free market. But when large companies form monopolies over industry, you no longer have a free market. In these cases, without government enforced legislation to protect public safety, there will be none.
Ah once people have these policies, try taking them away. You're a business owner, right? You should understand that if you pulled all your benefits away, anyone offering the benefits would have a better shot at your employees (of course you would have to offer benis first ) There are millions of lawyers, I'm sure more than one of them would be willing to take your "anti-trust" case

Government should be used to kick off a policy idea, sure. Hence credits for R&D, tax incentives for new energy practices, however the government should not 'mandate' them. And if mandating them is necessary to move forward there should be a very clear time table on when such items would no longer be in effect. Now that would be "change you can believe in" without subjecting the tax payer to drawn out, piss poor managed, entitlement programs. Social Security has proven that such programs are DOOMED. Yet for some reason, we like to blindly assume 'if we just had more gov involvement' it would be better
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