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Old 10-26-2008, 02:07 PM
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BTW Wags, who was dat?

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Most people in this country actually do agree with the ideas socialism. They just don't know what socialism is. So the liberal candidates try to introduce the ideas, but stay away from the "S" word, while the conservative candidates do their best to use the "S" word in describing the liberal ideas.
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Old 10-26-2008, 04:12 PM
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Most people in this country actually do agree with the ideas socialism. They just don't know what socialism is. So the liberal candidates try to introduce the ideas, but stay away from the "S" word, while the conservative candidates do their best to use the "S" word in describing the liberal ideas.

blah blah blah

The point is, you can't walk away from a tough question when you're running for that slot. And Biden...walked away. PM Putin is probably chompin' at the bit for Obama/Biden.
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The point is, you can't walk away from a tough question when you're running for that slot. And Biden...walked away. PM Putin is probably chompin' at the bit for Obama/Biden.
What Biden should have said is "why don't we talk about the merrit of the ideas rather than what label we are going to put on them."
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What Biden should have said is "why don't we talk about the merrit of the ideas rather than what label we are going to put on them."

that would have been worse than walking away. Can you imagine change-boy trying to actually answer that question with a fact instead of "hey if we just hope like Kennedy did in the space program..it will work out" you know, like those vast socialist countries right now
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I disagree. I think that turning it around and talking about the idea, while refusing to stoop to calling things Marxism (and communism) is smart.

It remains to be seen whether the Democrats will be rewarded by voters for taking the high road and not getting into the fear and smear adds as much. One can hope so, if only because it raises the tone of the discussion.
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I disagree. I think that turning it around and talking about the idea, while refusing to stoop to calling things Marxism (and communism) is smart.

It remains to be seen whether the Democrats will be rewarded by voters for taking the high road and not getting into the fear and smear adds as much. One can hope so, if only because it raises the tone of the discussion.
Neh, I'd rather not be socialist. But I fear I'm in the minority with the American Idol gen

In all honesty the average US citizen is WAY too dumb to debate those concepts. The only thing they see is "oh, you mean I don't have to work and get crap for free?" they would never ask the cost (which is SUBSTANTIAL) to providing that socialist environment. Which is why Obama's message is so well received. IMO.
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