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There may be some truth in the slide show, agreed, but not simply because the issue is included in the slide show. And, it gets lost in the extremism. I haven't seen the proof, but if you have it, great. As to irony, I am not defending something here, I am just suggesting that the original slide show is crap. That isn't a partisan position. If you or someone else posted something equally one-sided about another candidate, you would find me dismissing it just as quickly.
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I would say that truth doesn't lose credibility. Truth is truth. People or organizations lose credibility. And yes, if an organization lies a lot, then they lose credibility and the items that they say carry little or no weight, even if some of them happen to be true. And I would say that yes, it works in both directions (Republicans and Democrats, in this case)
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But it seems to me that trying to find meaningful portions of truth among so much hyperbole is an exercise in futility. But anyone can find a shred of truth among any lie. It just depends on which part you want to cling to. One could highlight both you know. I don't think anyone around here is willing to take a stand on facts submitted in evidence regarding what is or what isn't. The problem facing us all is that fact that none of us are in a position to verify the evidence provided by sources which clearly are biased on one side or the other. Personally i find the majority of it humorous beyond belief and taking any of it seriously is nothing more than an exercise in gullibility. Flim Flam at it's best. Quote:
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I can agree that it was a partisan message, but don't discount the whole post because of that. We are not in court here. If I said that 2 + 2 = 4 and the earth is flat, does that make the first part of that statement false? Nope. There was far more truth in that message than false statements. Why aren't we talking about those? Like I said from the begging, there may be some innacuracies in the slide show, but there are more truths. Believe what you want and look at it however you wish, but I don't think it is fair to discount the truths altogether. |
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FSETH: This is somewhat theoretical, but here goes.
If you are watching what you believe may be a biased source, and you catch several inaccuracies, I am just suggesting that the source then has little credibility with the remaining items that may or may not be true. It doesn't make those other items any less true. But how do you personally discern which ones are true and which ones aren't? While I am proposing that you discount the biased source because it has no credibility, you are suggesting that there are still some true items. Those positions aren't necessarily in conflict. We can agree completely. You just need to find a new and trusted source to bring the true items forward, since this source is discredited. If you know those other items are true, then it must be from a trusted source, and that is exactly what we need here, another source. Put another way, you say it is biased, but some items are true. I say very likely correct. However, we need a source for the true items, and there isn't one in this thread. Somehow I think this matters less given the time to the election.
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It scares me a little to think that some believe that 100% of it is true, but it also scares me that there are others like BB that think none of it is true. Many of those topics have been discussed before here and proven to be true and some are debatable at best. I don't know how else to say it. |
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