im surprised there have not been posts about the Hamas, Israel conflict.

[B-Line]

Eric,

I think any and all attacks on Israel must stop before any two state agreement can reasonably be discussed.

Again, you don't want to award terrorists for bad behavior.

As for Israeli retaliation, while it is excessive, it is targeted and is also a necessary evil to continue to show the entire community of the Middle East that Israel will counter attack against attacks on it's country.

If Israel did not protect itself in this manner, it would have been destroyed long ago.

[pski215]

you all have to see the hateful responses I got back in a post i made about peace on facebook. so ignorant and shows how brainwashed people can be

- "I am an "Israeli" American"

hmmm... you're "Israeli"?
aha! so you're one of those criminals who are occupying the Palestinian land.

There is something you know very well, and everyone knows it very well:

Palestine is the land of the Palestinian ppl.
The "Israelis" lived in Europe. then the Zionists had a plan to occupy Palestine, and then expand the occupation land to controle the Middle East.

They collaborated with the Nazis to massacre many Jews and threaten them in order to make them believe they need a "safe haven".

what should be the "Safe Haven"? the Palestinian land.
hey, it's easy. just kill the Palestinians and "smash them like grasshopers" as Ben Gorion said, and take their land and make it the "safe haven" for Jews.

Let me tell you something important, Paul:

the house you're living in, in occupied Palestine, is built on the rubbles of a Palestinian home that its owners still got the key for it.

The land that your fellow Zionists are sowing and eating from is the land of Palestinians who live in camps with their family waiting to get back their country.

You're living in occupied Palestine because another human -guess what? Palestinians are humans too- was massacred so you got his house and his land and his country.

Don't say you want peace. because peace can't be achieved without justice.
And justice states that the rights should be returned to their rightful owners.
Justice says ALL the "Israelis" who came to Palestine since 1914 should go back to where they came from and return the land to its people, the palestinians.

As long as you live in occupied Palestine, you are a crimianl who lives on the blood of others. you are a thief who lives in the homes of others. you are a murderer who supports the existance of the usurped entity "Israeli", and thus supporting the crimes it commits against innocents. (and those are not only the 430 people killed and the 2250 injured within 7 days in Gaza .. but also the 109 martyrs and 500 injured in 8 minutes in Qana in Lebanon 1996, and the 1200 civilians killed and 3500 injured -more than third of them children under age of 12- in Lebanon july 2006.. and the thousands massacred throughout the 60 years of occupation).

As long as you say you're "Israeli" and hold on to your "Israeli" illegitimate nationality, you are a criminal who supports all the "Israeli" crimes.

So allow me to say you DON'T want peace.


- "and have joined this group for discussion not for hate"

sorry. can't believe you. you just said you're "Israeli". you killed my relatives. you're occupying the pal land. you support "Israel". you can't say you're "Israeli" except if you have enough hate not to feel the shame and guilt of saying so.

- "as far as I am concerned I do not hate any Palestinians. "

sure. as long as they're dying quietly. like during the 6-months truce when they were staring and dying from lack of medical aid with the crossings closed for 5 months and 15 days of the truce.

Well if that's not "hate" then hating the pals can't be any different.

- "I feel the pain of the Palestinian people because we too have had many civilians killed."

well let me inform you of something you already know:

There is no civilian "Israelis". they're all occupation forces. all occupying a land that belongs to another ppl. you can't be civilian when you occupy someone else's land, you know.

- "The majority of Israelis just want PEACE in the world"

wooow wait here please.

just today we read in your news that the popularity of barak increased after the war started. and hey, I do read talkbacks in y our media. the majority of "Israelis" are EXTATIC with the war.

A reporter in Ynet was saying hey stop the war now without ground incursion. the talkback was like crazy at him calling him coward and idiot.

and hey, 80% of "Israelis" supported the war against Lebanon in 2006.


- "we deserve a chance to live just like the Gazans"

sure. who said anything else? you deserve a chance to live.. just OUT OF PALESTINE.

same as: you deserve to live.. just OUT OF MY HOUSE.

- "and I sympathize with the fact of all the suffering."


But support it? do you have Dissociate Identity Disorder?

- "Egypt also blockading Gaza"

honey honey... propaganda won't do you any good anymore.

If X and Y collaborated for killibg Z. That doesn't make X any less criminal than if he killed Z alone.

- "Jordan has also denied claim to the West Bank yet Israel has proposed for Jordan to control the West Bank. "

WHAT WEST BANK? those small seperated isles?

Besides, Jordan was part of Palestine. not the opposite. like yes you can give Jordan to the West Bank. But NOT the opposite. Because West Bank is Part of PAlestine and belongs to the Palestinian ppl. if you give it to Jordan, it would be just more occupation to the Pal land, and more injustice, and more war. thanks, but no thanks.

- "We are good people just as you are"

Please don't say that. The palestinians are not evil..let alone being THAT evil!

good ppl don't go to a land, kill almost half of its ppl, expel the other half, and occupy it. and stay there. and keep on the killing.

- "yet corporations and criminals ruin our societies."

"criminals"? as in "all the 'Israelis' "?
makes sense.

- "The leaders of Hamas currently being targeted by the "Israeli" military claim "Israel" is the enemy but why were they firing rockets at "Israel" during a cease-fire when "Israel" was using no military force on Gaza what so ever. "

oh-o..back to propaganda and lies.

well too late for lies, Paul. All the world KNOWS now.

"Israel" killed 49 Palestinians in Gaza (6 of them in a raid in November 13) during the "Cease-fire". Opened the crossings for 15 days total in SIX MONTHS.

While the Palestinians killed how many "Israelis"?
none.

- "Why does Hamas not construct schools instead of build rockets and proclaim hate on "Israel" and the US?"

You really want me to tell you why?

well there is many reasons.

just one of them is that they don't have brick and cement to build houses..

another one.. hey.. when you're starving from hunger, and when your child is dying because the medicine he needs is not available. you can't go on and build schools. you need to get food and medicine. and those you can't get in school. you get them through the crossings. and you need to open the crossings.

- "I am not trying to turn you against your own people"

well sure you;re not. because you can't. you can't turn ppl against themselves.

- "but instead of protesting "Israel" would it not be better to have Hamas agree to a cease fire and make sure they follow it?"


funny. it's exactly the other way around.

Hamas agreed to a cease-fire under two conditions:
1. stop the "Israeli" aggression
2. open the crossings

"Israel" rejected it.


- " "Israel" is not targeting civilians like many people say, if Israel wanted to kill civilians they could have dropped one bomb and destroyed Gaza and we all know the Israeli government has that kind of power."

1st: we're seeing the victims. 5 children under the age of 10 just today.

2nd. don't be that silly.
Sure "Israeli" can kill thousands in one day. but then it will have the world to answer for.
you know Iran and Hizbollah.

So my advice here: don't let your arrogance take you there. you won't enjoy it.

- "The Israeli people are as terrified as the Palestinian people, believe me on this."

I absolutely do. they didn't know Hamas has rockets that can reach bearsheva and ashdoud.
Now they know I'm sure they're terrified.

- "I have run to the bomb shelters, I have seen the blasts first hand. I have lost friends and family too and I feel both sides of the argument need to make sure they do what is best for their people don't you agree?"

Sure. The PAls need to keep resisting till they get their rights back.
The "Israelis" should go to where they came from.

- "please do not post hateful comments or delete my posting I am not here for hate I am here to find out what we can do to one day have peace."

You got your answer.

You'll have a long life of peace when justice is achieved after you leave occupied palestine and go to where you came from.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by B-Line

I think any and all attacks on Israel must stop before any two state agreement can reasonably be discussed.

That is like saying that the people of New York City have to stop committing crimes before we can discuss putting more cops on the street.

The two state solution is what WILL stop the attacks. Nothing else will ever stop them.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by pski215

you all have to see the hateful responses I got back in a post i made about peace on facebook. so ignorant and shows how brainwashed people can be

While 99% of that is obviously hateful and has no basis, there is one fact that slipped through there that would probably be disturbing to most Jews if they knew about it. Irgun did indeed colatorate with the Nazis during WWII.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Irgun did indeed colatorate with the Nazis during WWII.

Sorry....I made a mistake. It was Lehi, the other Zionist terrorist group, that colaborated with the Nazis during WWII. They had hoped that the Nazis would help them overthrow British rule in Palestine and then establish a Jewish state where the Nazis could send Jews to.

Irgun did indeed suspend all terror attacks against the British during the war, and then of course resumed them after the war ended.

One can observe that history is not without a sense of irony. Leaders of Irgun, a terrorist group, later become the founders of the Israeli Likud Party -- a party whose platform today is to be hardliners against terrorism.