Jewish protest

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by B-Line

Do you also realize that Hamas has stated, that even if Israel gave them EVERYTHING they wanted (the obvious exception being the destruction of Israel.) - That Hamas has said, they still would not recognize the right to a Jewish state under any circumstances

Another lie.

Hamas has agreed to the terms of the Arab Peace Initiative which including recognizing Israel's right to exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

[pski215]

i refuse to argue with eric or anyone else anymore I honestly could not care the world opinion of Israel anymore aslong as my family and country are safe. I am however going to post some quotes from various forums i go on.

If you look at every pro Palestinian rally anywhere around the world you would see the savages with posters "death to Israel", "Jews go back to oven", "Death to all jews", "Death to america", "Hitler didn't finish the job" etc... Should be enough to tell you the caliber of the scum that assembles there, so dont be surprised to see the svastikas and other symbols like that. If you look at any pro Israeli rally, youll never see anyone chanting death to anything, they just assemble to show support for Israel and not demand someones untimely end.

Originally Posted by Sideline
If the BS PR (Untruths) wasn't a factor to sway the world, I wonder if Hamas would feel proud enough to continue. They seem to admit in public, that they are winning, by showing how Israel causes a "waterfall of blood". Why don't people see Hamas putting its own people under Israels sword? In the name of Peace? For the people of Islam, or against the people of Judaism by destroying the symbol that is Israel? Why so confusing to see the INTENTIONS of the choices made by Radical Islam?

If Hamas comes and knocks on the door of your apartment and says, "Hey, we're storing a bunch of rockets in the basement, would you please take your family and go up on the roof so the Israeli bombers will see you and not bomb the building" then no I don't think I'm being harsh to say that the civilians have become participants in the battle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp
"A new Israeli weapon, meanwhile, is tailored to the Hamas tactic of asking civilians to stand on the roofs of buildings so Israeli pilots will not bomb." NY Times

I would also like to quote Israel's first female prime minister.

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us - Golda Meir

and with saying that I would like to say Hamas deliberately harms Israel civilians while Israel does everything in its power to avoid killing civilians but using this analogy I am going to explain it for all of you.(minus eric because he thinks 9/11 was an inside job) On 9/11 if a fighter jet spotted one of the hijacked planes they were ordered to fire which would kill the innocent civilians on the plane, however it would prevent the plane from either crashing into the Pentagon or White house which would kill more innocents (yes I know the Pentagon was a military target). Now would you rather the fighter pilot fire on the aircraft or kill numerous innocents and leave the country in shambles on the ground? Now lets put this in the IDF perspective. On a patrol inside Gaza your unit is walking to its objective and you come across a militant who and want to engage the where you are taking contact from but there are civilians standing with him who for some odd reason are not running. Would you A) put you and your unit at risk by not firing and instead getting dead. or would you B) fire but not spray which means to fire at the who is engaging you and not sporadically in that general direction hoping to not kill the innocents surrounding.

I personally would choose option B. Obviously there is something wrong when a group of civilians are standing with an armed individual who is about to be engaged by one of the best armies in the world. If I was standing with him I would be out. That's just me though and I am sure if they wanted to run they would be shot dead by Hamas.

I would also like to leave you with a link.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...rael+Since.htm

Those are just attacks post 1993, that is not even including numerous rocket attacks. I have videos with evidence of that PRE-LATE 2008 Gaza conflict.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by pski215

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Hamas deliberately harms Israel civilians while Israel does everything in its power to avoid killing civilians

1st true...2nd I don't know about that...look how disproportionate the numbers are for Palestine compared to Israel deaths....I am not saying Israel is killing civilians on purpose, but with this many casualties they are far from getting anymore support. Look around the world...this is not the answer to stop the violence there...

[pski215]

Look at Gaza... one of the more densely populated areas and you have people that Hamas has not built shelters for.. you cannot blame Israel for killing civilians when if Hamas is the government they are responsible for the civilians. Lately I am seeing a lot of Palestinians more pissed that the Hamas leaders are hidden nice and snug in bunkers with food and electricity, or the founder in Syria chilling in 5 star hotels while they are taking the shit storm from the IDF. Israel did not vote Hamas into office, they did. They continued rocket attacks after the pull out of Gaza, then when the blockade was put in effect because they continuously shot rockets you would think they would come to some type of common sense that they would realize OHHH THATS WHY ISRAEL BLOCKADED US, MAYBE JUST MAYBE IF WE SMUGGLE BABY FOOD INSTEAD OF ROCKETS THEY WILL LIFT THE BLOCKADE. If Hamas was smuggling baby food into Gaza and Medical supplies into Gaza and showing Israel look we are creating the best government we can please lift the blockade so we can help our people, Israel would most likely lift the blockade. Attacking a sovereign nation that possesses one of those most elite armies in the world is not such a good idea, this is just training for many of the units inside of Gaza. Once the reserve units are fully embedded in Gaza Hamas is going to be dealing with a shit storm because they all have been in HEAVY combat.

[pski215]

hey Eric i can verify 100% they did not, I was in Southern Israel over the summer for over a week staying at a friend's house and 5 out of the 7 days I was there I spent time in the bomb shelter. Do not try to prove facts you have no knowledge on.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by pski215

hey Eric i can verify 100% they did not, I was in Southern Israel over the summer for over a week staying at a friend's house and 5 out of the 7 days I was there I spent time in the bomb shelter. Do not try to prove facts you have no knowledge on.

Every rocket that comes out of Gaza is not a Hamas rocket. During the 6 month cease fire Islamic Jihad continued to fire rockets, and a number of their leaders were arrested and even put in jail by the Hamas government.



The source of this chart is the Israeli consulate in NYC. As you can see, after the first 2 months of the cease-fire, Hamas did a pretty darn good job of stopping rocket fire, even considering they don't have the tools that most governments and law-enforcement agencies have.

[B-Line]

From your own reference Eric

Hamas
From its inception in 2002, the initiative deeply divided the organization.[2] Its official covenant advocates the destruction of the state of Israel and its replacement by a theocratic run under Islamist principles with Jerusalem as the capital.[16] Hamas' spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab told The San Francisco Chronicle in April 2002 that the organization would accept it, saying "That would be satisfactory for all Palestinian military groups to stop and build our state, to be busy in our own affairs, and have good neighborhood with Israelis."[16] The newspaper reporters who interviewed Shanab questioned whether or not he truly spoke for the administration and could not collaborate his story.[16] Hamas' foreign minister Mahmoud al-Zahar said in June 2006 that the organization rejects the initiative.[2] Then Prime Minister Ismail Haneya said on October 2006 that the "problem with the Arab peace initiative is that it includes recognition of the state of Israel, the thing that the Palestinian government rejects" and dismissed it.[17]

[B-Line]

Furthermore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Don't try to contradict my information.. I can quote wikipedia too:

After coming to power, some Hamas leaders have announced that Hamas was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

Israel gives Hamas everything they want and Hamas will cease fire for 10 years.... Read it.. Learn it..

[StanF18]

B-Line, all I got to say bro, is thank G-d you have enough time on your hands to contradict, refute, and quote news sources. It takes a lot of patience to explain away the pro-Hamas, self-loathing nonsense spewed forth by X5 World's resident nut-job. Kudos to you for setting the facts straight!

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by B-Line

Furthermore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Don't try to contradict my information.. I can quote wikipedia too:

After coming to power, some Hamas leaders have announced that Hamas was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

Israel gives Hamas everything they want and Hamas will cease fire for 10 years.... Read it.. Learn it..

Here I though it was pretty much common sense but it appears Eric's radical ideology blinds him from the truth much like that of the Hamas extremists.