Jewish protest

[Eric5273]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmS7r...eature=related


Maybe not what you expected?

[Dannyell]

I have an older jewish friend that I buy trailer and truck parts from...

He tells me the same thing...

[pski215]

disgraceful.

[B-Line]

Eric always loves to bring up videos, news clips, etc. of Hasidic, Anti-Israeli protestors.

They have biblical reasons for not wanting to accept Israel as a state. Has something to do with Israel being granted to the Jews at the end of the world vs. the United Nations doing it..

It's a complicated issue for the ultra religious..

Eric,

Maybe the newbies don't realize this tactic that you try to use to attack the position of Israel, but I've been here long enough to know you were going to bring it up sooner or later.. That's a low blow. You want me to find videos of Muslims suggesting that Israel should be left alone, in peace, etc.. Cause I can if you really want me to. YOu know that argument doesn't hold water.. Those Hassidic are devout in their own right.

[Wagner]

Eric just believes the US is the ultimate enemy and since the US backs Israel..."the enemy of my enemy is my friend "

[jigaro]

To be honest, i believe this issue is way too complicated for us to discuss it on this forum.
-I just think it's kind of strange,that Israel is founded on a part of land that has all the water, and privilages, and Palestinians on the other hand have limited access to water.
-If you look at the historical maps, you will actually see that the state of palestine existed way before WW2
-On the other hand, talented and usefull people like Jews in fact should have a piece of land to live in, should not they?
-There was a resolution after WW2 which came up with the solution to grant Jews the state to live in, i believe there where 3.
1. was in Palestine
2. was Argentina
3. was not so sure, maybe someone can help me out.
SO this issue is so complicated, that i believe discussing it here will only hurt us and the cause.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by jigaro

To be honest, i believe this issue is way too complicated for us to discuss it on this forum.
-I just think it's kind of strange,that Israel is founded on a part of land that has all the water, and privilages, and Palestinians on the other hand have limited access to water.
-If you look at the historical maps, you will actually see that the state of palestine existed way before WW2
-On the other hand, talented and usefull people like Jews in fact should have a piece of land to live in, should not they?
-There was a resolution after WW2 which came up with the solution to grant Jews the state to live in, i believe there where 3.
1. was in Palestine
2. was Argentina
3. was not so sure, maybe someone can help me out.
SO this issue is so complicated, that i believe discussing it here will only hurt us and the cause.

Yep it won't get any easier than this....

What is certain that both Hamas and Israel are in violation of international laws...and while this conflicts keeps on going it seems nothing is being resolved...

I hope an Obama administration will not support Israel as much as past administrations have....at least not with this behavior

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by jigaro

-There was a resolution after WW2 which came up with the solution to grant Jews the state to live in, i believe there where 3.
1. was in Palestine
2. was Argentina
3. was not so sure, maybe someone can help me out.

It was Uganda:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Uganda_Program

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

I hope an Obama administration will not support Israel as much as past administrations have....at least not with this behavior

Doubtful considering who his chief of staff is.

[jigaro]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

Yep it won't get any easier than this....

What is certain that both Hamas and Israel are in violation of international laws...and while this conflicts keeps on going it seems nothing is being resolved...

I hope an Obama administration will not support Israel as much as past administrations have....at least not with this behavior

Well i agree with you in some areas, but reality is this:
-Unites States has 2 kinds of interests
1. IS NATIONAL INTERESTS WHICH ARE NONE NAGOTIABLE, WHICH MEANS, NO MATTER WHICH ADMINISTRATION IS ELECTED, THESE INTERESTS WILL NOT BE TOUCHED, and Israel is in the National Interest, Obama wount change much, and he will support Israel thats a Given
2. PERIPHERAL INTERESTS. Which are not the priority but still important to United States, they may change from Time to time.
-If we go back to what George W Bushes foreign policy was it was nothing but a failier and this is why.
1. When Condoliza Rice used to travel to Middle East, Europeans, John Kerry and even Obama used to warn republicans not to loose grip on Hezbollah, and what happend? Hezbollah become the LEGITIMATE PART OF LEBANESE GOVERNMENT, they have seats in the government.
2. Bush and Condie used to be warned regarding the hammas as well, and what happend? Hammas become the LEGITIMATE AND LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE IN HUGE AREAS OF PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT.
So 2 of the most radical groups in the area, HAVE LEGITIMIZED THEMELVES AND THAT HAPPEND UNDER BUSH ADMINISTRATION, This is why Colin Powel was FURIOUS.
Regarding the Israel and Palestine, I'am going to be really carefull here, because this is one of the best forums it really is, and we have Jewish and Muslim members here, and i don't want to write things here that would tare everyone a part.
-Virtually via internet it is useless to discuss this issue deeply, but if i would be talking to some of our forum members then that would be different, much easier to be talking about such a sensitive subject in person.
-Homeland problems are dear to me, i as well recently experienced extreme difficulties, August war with Russia, and anexed territories.