How is it that people who pay no taxes get refunds?

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

If we'd pay for health care the same we do for our public schools...our clinics and hospitals would not look as nice on the outside/inside or have the best equipment in the world right??


I do not have kids...so paying so others can attend school is worthless to me...

awesome! thanks for participating, caveat it with "..what Eric said "

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by Wagner

awesome! thanks for participating, caveat it with "..what Eric said "

just my opinion but he does make a point there...

do i win anything for participating? lmao

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

just my opinion but he does make a point there...

do i win anything for participating? lmao

what was his point? neh because you have to make your own post not say "I agree" with Eric

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by rastaFarai

How "American" are those statements? I'm not an American but one of the things that I admire about Obama (at least in what he's trying to say) is that being that is more than being a hard worker and going for self. The upper class and to some extent the upper middle class feel like they've made it so why help anyone else.. you did it so why can't they. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps right? Didn't he say you gotta give them boots first?

Going against the "help thy neighbor" is against everything you claim to stand for. Unless i was mistaken and you never claimed to love your country and what it stood for.

First - RF and Eric - you guys are way off base.

I didn't say that I didn't want to pay any taxes. RF - you make accusations that are unfounded about patiriotism and Americanism that I resent more than I can put into words.

What I said is this - if you don't pay taxes, how can you get a tax refund?

As far as your other stuff, RF, FYI - I started a company from scratch, went 2 years with no paycheck, and ended up employing 25 people at an average salary of about $70k, paid 90% of their health insurance costs, provided a 401k plan and matched their contributions, and even made a company contibution to their HSA deductibles so they had no out-of-pocket expenses for health care. I had one guy that developed Parkinson's, and was unable to work. However, to qualify for benefits under disability was a very drawn out process, that took a year. I carried this guy, with all of the benefits above, for a year at a salary of $130k, even though he could not do anything. Most days, he did not even come into the office. Now that he has qualified, he draws 70% of his salary tax free for the rest of his life. That cost me about $200k, and didn't earn me a dollar. But, it was the right thing to do.

I risked everything - my home, my kid's college funds, everything. I sold my cars, and most things I owned, to make it work. I didn't sleep at night for 2 years, trying to build a business. No one, I repeat no one, that works for me took that risk. And, now that it's successful, I wouldn't have traded a minute of it.

SO - Don't you even dare to throw that BS into my face, question my patriotism, or Americanism. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I will repeat: if you don't pay taxes, how can you get a tax refund?

All of the crap about fire, police, schools, etc, is just that - crap.

Eric - I have never said that government has no role. In fact, I think government has a specific role. That role is defined in a little document called the Constitution of the United States of America.

It started with a simple question, and devolved into this. Just beautiful.

[mrkbbd]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

I don't have kids. So tell me why my taxes should go to pay for other people's kids to go to school? Why shouldn't everyone pay for their own kids to go to school?

Why not just have private schools and let everyone pay for themselves? You like that idea for health care. You also would eliminate all those lazy government employees that run the schools.

Or do you think that education is an "entitlement"?

That's a benefit for everyone, education helps the state of the world and you don't want a lot of uneducated people voting...I never went to public school, I don't have kids, but I do see the benefit in having an educated population base.

[Eric5273]

Contrary to what you all may think, I do not think the stimulus is going to work, but for the opposite reason that you all think. I think most of the money being spent is on nonsense. There needs to be much more spending on infrastructure.

Take a listen to what Jim Cramer said last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-mbbaS6bE

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Contrary to what you all may think, I do not think the stimulus is going to work, but for the opposite reason that you all think. I think most of the money being spent is on nonsense. There needs to be much more spending on infrastructure.

Take a listen to what Jim Cramer said last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-mbbaS6bE

I'm not sure the infrasturcture piece will work, but for a different reason than you are probably thnking of.

After Florida was criss-crossed with 4 hurricanes a few years back, the state found out that there is about $2 billion per year worth of contracting capacity in the state. These StimII (as we are calling them) projects have to be shovel-ready in 120 days. Florida is looking at getting something like $5-$6 billion.

So, we do not have the contractor capacity to do this much work, especially if neighboring states are busy. Florida was OK, until hurricanes hit some nearby states, but then all of the contractors back to their home states.

The result is this: inflation in materials costs, and mismanagement.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by ylwjacket

I'm not sure the infrasturcture piece will work, but for a different reason than you are probably thnking of.

Nothing they do can really "work". The best you can hope for is to lessen the blow and maybe keep the system going a little bit longer before complete colapse.