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Old 08-16-2009, 12:24 PM
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Finally, US has Spoken...

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Old 08-16-2009, 10:00 PM
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Gee ya think Congress? Since you can't get your citizens to listen to your rhetoric.
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:18 AM
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It was a trial balloon.

You're right, Wagner. The citizens won't listen. Instead "we" choose to believe that the plan includes Death panels, pulling the plug on granny and taxpayer funded abortion.


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Old 08-17-2009, 09:13 AM
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It was a trial balloon.

You're right, Wagner. The citizens won't listen. Instead "we" choose to believe that the plan includes Death panels, pulling the plug on granny and taxpayer funded abortion.
You keep believing what you want polls show the majority doesn't believe the rhetoric you just wrote your dismay off to and that the majority does not want public health care...but you can keep drinking that Kool-Aid Just glad the US realized "Hope, Dreams and Change" can't right the world. You can feel free to donate 10% of your income to setup a plan to help those you think can't get health care, have fun nobody is stopping you.
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:58 PM
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You keep believing what you want polls show the majority doesn't believe the rhetoric you just wrote your dismay off to and that the majority does not want public health care...but you can keep drinking that Kool-Aid Just glad the US realized "Hope, Dreams and Change" can't right the world. You can feel free to donate 10% of your income to setup a plan to help those you think can't get health care, have fun nobody is stopping you.

That is not my rhetoric, that is the rhetoric heard at the town hall meetings reported by both liberal and conservative media outlets. I think the kool-aid drinkers are the ones perpetuating and believing that nonsence.

I already pay 15% of my income to health care. Can't we do something about that?
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I already pay 15% of my income to health care. Can't we do something about that?
I would hope we can, but I ask you, do you really think that the government can do something positive in that regard? Do you really believe that a massive increase in government spending on a 1,000+ page bill is anything but efficient, and will somehow decrease that figure? Whether a liberal or conservative is in office, I don't believe our government can, and we have a big history to prove that nearly any government run program anywhere is inefficiently run and is prone to waste. I assume you've been to the DMV, or as Obama likes to say, even the poorly run post office.

I don't have the all the answers, and that is exactly why rushing through something as important and as involved as this makes exactly zero sense. No one has the answers, or even knows what the final bits of the bill are going to look like, but for some strange reason Obama wanted to rush it through.

Certainly one area I've heard as being ripe for improvement is malpractice reform. Huge amounts are spent on malpractice insurance, and that also forces doctors to run many more tests than are really necessary. Both of these increase costs. I have an HSA, and our company just went 100% HSA. It only has benefits, and as Laffer pointed out, it decreases the health care wedge. It really makes it more evident the costs associated with health care when you are paying the full negotiated rates. It encourages you to find a doctor that is not necessarily lesser quality, but perhaps lesser cost. It encourages you to avoid going to the doctor for minor things. It encourages you to use generics. All of this saves money. And if you don't spend all of the money you have contributed, you get to keep it, and earn interest on it. While this does not work for everyone, this certainly works for many of us, and would go a long way to reducing the cost burdens.

And why must we upend an entire system when we just need to figure out a way to insure those that need insurance but don't have it? And that number is much less than the often quoted 47 million.
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Its not over yet, I would continue to watch what the left hand is doing as they say they are willing to compromise or give up. Government mandated health care is a joke. They can't run the post office, or social security. That's something we should starting looking at that first before they trying tapping us for health care.
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Why do they insist calling it the "public option" when the majority of the public does NOT want it....it should be called the "Government Option"
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I'm just saying. Come on! WTF does Hitler and the Nazis have to do with health care reform, or Obama?

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[QUOTE=Krimson X;651668]I'm just saying. Come on! WTF does Hitler and the Nazis have to do with health care reform, or Obama?

You would have to ask Nancy Pelosi that question, What the Hell was she thinking...to draw that conclusion.
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