Gerald Celente 10/19/2012

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

I believe the first thing that should be done is to find a way to disarm all the people we can who are not qualified own a gun. Second, I would probably make it a crime to leave, sell, or in any way make guns accessible to others who are not qualified. I would make it an accessory to murder charge if anyone was killed. Third, I would make the tax on weapons at least equal to the cost of the weapon so that those who want "a cop in every school" can pay for it through their purchases. Fourth, I would probably make self loading illegal and micro print (if possible) the serial number of the gun that the ammunition was purchased for onto the ammo, and then sit back and see if this helps curb the gun violence.

As to how I defend myself, I guess I would have to say, (1) with my brain, (2) if needed, with my fists, (3) if possible, with my feet or gas pedal, (4) if no choice, then with my GLOCK.

See the difference between you and me is that I believe there are alternatives to arming any and everything that moves. For you, this seems to be the first, last, and only solution.

Ummm, so how will you deal with gang confiscation? Tax them, create more laws...make them only carry etched weapons or bullets? Unreal.
Yeah, sit back and watch the sheep get sheared. The blood will be on your hands and hands like you that want to penalize law abiding citizens.

Will we also need to "qualify" to be able to use hammers, knives, rocks, clubs, bats, etc?


I'm surprised that there's absolutely NO mention of having a gun free Govt. I mean, if you want to stop innocent killings...shouldn't govt start with themselves?

No, the difference between me and you...I'd like less govt and you want MORE...MUCH MORE. More prisons, more taxes and MORE LAWS. Guess you'll need some Brown Shirts to enforce your plan too, huh!

Yeah, we know how this ends.


So, you never answered my question. Do you live in America and are you a citizen of the USA?

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Ummm, so how will you deal with gang confiscation? Tax them, create more laws...make them only carry etched weapons or bullets? Unreal.
Yeah, sit back and watch the sheep get sheared. The blood will be on your hands and hands like you that want to penalize law abiding citizens.

Will we also need to "qualify" to be able to use hammers, knives, rocks, clubs, bats, etc?


I'm surprised that there's absolutely NO mention of having a gun free Govt. I mean, if you want to stop innocent killings...shouldn't govt start with themselves?

No, the difference between me and you...I'd like less govt and you want MORE...MUCH MORE. More prisons, more taxes and MORE LAWS. Guess you'll need some Brown Shirts to enforce your plan too, huh!

Yeah, we know how this ends.


So, you never answered my question. Do you live in America and are you a citizen of the USA?

What, you want to see my papers now? No, I don't justify myself to you or anyone else.

But I will say, in keeping to the subject...

What I presented are "off the top of my head" suggestions. They might work, they might need further work, or they might need a third party to modify them and come up with a better angle - including how to deal with gangs. But at least they are ideas. You can dismiss them if you like as unreal, but that just goes to show AGAIN that you have a limited thought on this subject. The only solution you seem to promote is MORE GUNS. I am against that.

Brownshirts? I think I see now why it is that you like this fellow who rants uncontrollably.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

What, you want to see my papers now? No, I don't justify myself to you or anyone else.

But I will say, in keeping to the subject...

What I presented are "off the top of my head" suggestions. They might work, they might need further work, or they might need a third party to modify them and come up with a better angle - including how to deal with gangs. But at least they are ideas. You can dismiss them if you like as unreal, but that just goes to show AGAIN that you have a limited thought on this subject. The only solution you seem to promote is MORE GUNS. I am against that.

Brownshirts? I think I see now why it is that you like this fellow who rants uncontrollably.

Oh no, I'm not dismissing your ideas as unreal...it just goes to show how much you must love big govt. Let's bring them into every facet of our lives...that should make for a much better world, huh?

You just seem to be a contradiction from what you think off the "top of your head" and your signature. But, I'm the one that's got the problem?! OK, if you say so...

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Oh no, I'm not dismissing your ideas as unreal...it just goes to show how much you must love big govt. Let's bring them into every facet of our lives...that should make for a much better world, huh?

You just seem to be a contradiction from what you think off the "top of your head" and your signature. But, I'm the one that's got the problem?! OK, if you say so...

Yes, IMO, you make too many assumptions and don't take the time to think about anything or make coherent and apropos points.

What makes you think I am in anyway in favor of big government? Was it because I listed points that I would take to deal with the gun issue? Did you forget that I made those points - not because I believe in big G, but because you ASKED me what my ideas for curbing gun violence were? Don't you understand what ideas "off the top of the head" mean, or have you never been required in your life to THINK about things and make suggestions?

Does expanding one segment of rules mean that we can't contract others? BTW, what is it you want ? Cities with 5 million people in them and no rules? How long do you think that society will last? Or is it just that we need to have only the rules that you favor?

And what about anything I have posted is in contradiction to my sig? To what was I referring when I wrote that sig? What is it's context? What is it's meaning? How does wanting to regulate and tax and keeping weapons out of the hands of nutjobs contradict with my sig? You haven't a clue have you?

Like so many things that you don't know you just fill in the blanks with whatever is floating in your head and start arguing from your own imaginary points, not about anything that was actually said.

It seemed to me that Piers was having a reasonable discussion - as I said - minus the name calling. The other guy just rants without any point other than "I want." "I want." "I want." With no other substance - you do remember that my comment was about the videos and not about the constitution - or are you too deep into your own talking points?

You know when I think about all the people in this world who definitely should not have a gun, both you and this Alex Jones certainly jump to the top of the list now. I believe there should be some standard of ability to reason and debate without straying from facts and reality in order to own a gun. Seems to me you both fail when it come to that test.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

Yes, IMO, you make too many assumptions and don't take the time to think about anything or make coherent and apropos points.

What makes you think I am in anyway in favor of big government? Was it because I listed points that I would take to deal with the gun issue? Did you forget that I made those points - not because I believe in big G, but because you ASKED me what my ideas for curbing gun violence were? Don't you understand what ideas "off the top of the head" mean, or have you never been required in your life to THINK about things and make suggestions?

Does expanding one segment of rules mean that we can't contract others? BTW, what is it you want ? Cities with 5 million people in them and no rules? How long do you think that society will last? Or is it just that we need to have only the rules that you favor?

And what about anything I have posted is in contradiction to my sig? To what was I referring when I wrote that sig? What is it's context? What is it's meaning? How does wanting to regulate and tax and keeping weapons out of the hands of nutjobs contradict with my sig? You haven't a clue have you?

Like so many things that you don't know you just fill in the blanks with whatever is floating in your head and start arguing from your own imaginary points, not about anything that was actually said.

It seemed to me that Piers was having a reasonable discussion - as I said - minus the name calling. The other guy just rants without any point other than "I want." "I want." "I want." With no other substance - you do remember that my comment was about the videos and not about the constitution - or are you too deep into your own talking points?

You know when I think about all the people in this world who definitely should not have a gun, you certainly jump to the top of the list now. I believe there should be some standard of ability to reason and debate without straying from facts and reality in order to own a gun. Seems to me you fail when it come to that test.

I will say this...as this is MY THREAD...and was ORIGINALLY about Gerald Celente and not Alex Jones...the only reason I find your thoughts contradictory is because you are limiting peoples RIGHTS with your thoughts about creating limitations on gun ownership. I find you to be quite judgmental for someone that wants to protect "Rights" above all else...not even trade them for "magic beans"

Again, no mention of real issues facing citizens of the USA...gangs, abortions, pharmaceuticals, suicide, knives, hammers, clubs, etc. It's just guns...I just find it odd that it's just guns that outrage you to the point that you're looking to pick a fight on a thread that wasn't even about GUNS. And, I'm the one with the problem?

Why did you decide to post your diatribe on this thread??? Why not the one that was about "Gun Control"? Seems odd to me. Well, maybe not if I'm correct that you're looking for a fight and needed to throw your ad hominems directly at me. What did I piss you off in another thread? Did I somehow make you feel insecure about yourself? Again, why this thread?

I think it's pretty clear that you are not from the REPUBLIC You must have some other form of tyranny that you're concerned about. Your signature doesn't jive with what a PATRIOT of the REPUBLIC would stand for with regards to protecting peoples "Rights". I ASSUMED that you might have been a PATRIOT of the REPUBLIC...that's obviously NOT the case. You're the person from "various"

But seriously, best wishes in your life and may you and your loved ones be kept safe from harm...and I'm not being sarcastic. In the end, most of us are just humans that were made in Gods image trying to figure out what all this means and how to protect our loved ones from tyrannical/evil forces that would prefer to enslave us.

Now, go ahead and tell me what a bad person I am and how I shouldn't own a gun.