What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[ard]

Saying 'both sides are bought and paid for' is a gutless cop out, IMO.


Trumpism has brought this country to its knees. In almost every aspect.


Those conservatives and republicans that sit by and let Trump and his 4th tier grifters continue to fleece and scam, and justify this with 'yeah they are all corrupt' disgust me. You sat around and chortled at the misfortune of the lefties when Trump blitzed through the primary campaign, happy to cheer him on for your entertainment....now you own the disaster we all face. Your hatred of "the left' has allowed you to be co-opted by criminals. Own it.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by ard

Saying 'both sides are bought and paid for' is a gutless cop out, IMO.

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't belong to a party, and have lost faith in the Republic, or at least the electoral process we use to service the Republic. I vote based on the candidate, not the letter by their name. Trump was allowed to win because the Democrats assumed the status quo. Well, it changed. And now we have the Cheeto in Chief making America look foolish. I did not vote for him, I won't in November. Nor will I vote for Biden, unless he picks one hell of a running mate.

But, what makes us (meaning Americans) look worse than Trump? The fact that both sides believe their party to be in sole possession of all the right answers. And so we entrench ourselves in red or blue. Politics have become a religion. Them vs us. Tragic.

But, again, it doesn't matter anyway because our politicians aren't interested in serving us. Corporations want to do something illegal, or against the interest of the consumer? No problem, we'll add some legislation to a 500 page bill and sneak it through for you. See Ajit Pai at the FCC for numerous examples of corporate servitude (he's an ex Verizon attorney btw). Trump is a result of the flawed system, not the catalyst for one. Though he's definitely not making things any better. But neither did Obama. Not discounting his administration before I get jumped on. Obama had some successes, but overall, it was business as usual. He got my vote first term and lost it for his second.

We can all exercise our rights to vote, suggest we do so. Even with my pessimism I drag my ass to the booth every four years (more frequently than that obviously for local/State).

As for the virus, we are going to homeschool this year. Fortunately, we have that option. I feel for parents who both work and are losing income/jobs or are having to send their kids off to school and risk the health of the family. Returning to school is one of those lose/lose decisions that each district will have to decide on. The virus has highlighted problems in our society that existed prior to Trump, and will remain long after. It's human nature to want to place blame. We are in a pandemic, it's going to suck no matter what paths we take. Especially with the shortcomings mentioned above, both social and political.

Not sure why I wasted time typing all that, as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

We are certainly that. It's like a family meeting where all the siblings quarrel with each other but at the end of the day they make up because they all have something in common, they are their parents children.

Here at the forum we have common grounds to build on, we all have a love for the venerable X5 and we are passionate about our country. So differences in opinion at the end of the day are just that, it's nothing to get overly anxious about.

I don't think any of us here is stupid enough to believe in falsehoods or gets lead astray because of some fantastic promises from their leaders in life.

Sooner or later we realize what's at stake and we adjust our behaviors to counter the bad influences in our lives.

Rambling on now, just hoping that we can come out of this in a positive way.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't belong to a party, and have lost faith in the Republic, or at least the electoral process we use to service the Republic. I vote based on the candidate, not the letter by their name. Trump was allowed to win because the Democrats assumed the status quo. Well, it changed. And now we have the Cheeto in Chief making America look foolish. I did not vote for him, I won't in November. Nor will I vote for Biden, unless he picks one hell of a running mate.

But, what makes us (meaning Americans) look worse than Trump? The fact that both sides believe their party to be in sole possession of all the right answers. And so we entrench ourselves in red or blue. Politics have become a religion. Them vs us. Tragic.

But, again, it doesn't matter anyway because our politicians aren't interested in serving us. Corporations want to do something illegal, or against the interest of the consumer? No problem, we'll add some legislation to a 500 page bill and sneak it through for you. See Ajit Pai at the FCC for numerous examples of corporate servitude (he's an ex Verizon attorney btw). Trump is a result of the flawed system, not the catalyst for one. Though he's definitely not making things any better. But neither did Obama. Not discounting his administration before I get jumped on. Obama had some successes, but overall, it was business as usual. He got my vote first term and lost it for his second.

We can all exercise our rights to vote, suggest we do so. Even with my pessimism I drag my ass to the booth every four years (more frequently than that obviously for local/State).

As for the virus, we are going to homeschool this year. Fortunately, we have that option. I feel for parents who both work and are losing income/jobs or are having to send their kids off to school and risk the health of the family. Returning to school is one of those lose/lose decisions that each district will have to decide on. The virus has highlighted problems in our society that existed prior to Trump, and will remain long after. It's human nature to want to place blame. We are in a pandemic, it's going to suck no matter what paths we take. Especially with the shortcomings mentioned above, both social and political.

Not sure why I wasted time typing all that, as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump.

Not so, it's a vote for whoever else is on the ticket. If the Dems don't carry the day, that's their fault and no one else's. I don't believe in a 2 party system and I'm not going to use my vote to further it.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Not so, it's a vote for whoever else is on the ticket. If the Dems don't carry the day, that's their fault and no one else's. I don't believe in a 2 party system and I'm not going to use my vote to further it.

In this case the only person that has a chance of defeating Trump is Biden. A vote for a candidate that can't win is one less vote for Biden. I think the primary goal for this election is to get Trump out of office. It's kinda like standing on ceremony to vote for a candidate that can't win the election.

However, I understand your right to be true to your beliefs and respect that you do.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

In this case the only person that has a chance of defeating Trump is Biden. A vote for a candidate that can't win is one less vote for Biden. I think the primary goal for this election is to get Trump out of office. It's kinda like standing on ceremony to vote for a candidate that can't win the election.

However, I understand your right to be true to your beliefs and respect that you do.

If another worthy candidate rises up and shows promise of beating either candidate, I would consider him/her.

Since there's none at the moment, I agree with BC, the goal here is to remove Trump first.

Anyone, even Biden, is a much better alternative than the cheetos in chief.

I honestly believe our republic will not survive another 4 years of his abuse.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

If another worthy candidate rises up and shows promise of beating either candidate, I would consider him/her.

Since there's none at the moment, I agree with BC, the goal here is to remove Trump first.

Anyone, even Biden, is a much better alternative than the cheetos in chief.

I honestly believe our republic will not survive another 4 years of his abuse.

I don't expect anyone to rise up to be a realistic challenge to Trump or Biden. My intention is to vote straight democratic. It seems obvious that nothing will get done unless the democrats control both the house and the senate.