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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Some people only approve of democracy when the people vote the way they like. But yes, many other democracies have voted socialists into power. Vietnam was the first in 1956, Chile in 1970, and more recently Venezuela, Bolivia, Spain, Nepal, Nicaragua. That said, Barak Obama has not demonstrated to me that he is anywhere close to a socialist. I have not heard a single thing he has proposed that sounded to me like socialism.

As for you guys being afraid of high taxes, in a socialist system there are no taxes. Instead, the profits from nationalized corporations, and corporate taxes from private corporations, provide the government with the all revenue it needs. Citizens do not pay any kind of personal income tax.

Personal income tax is purely a capitalist invention, and the money from all the personal income tax collected by the Federal Government does not pay for any government programs, but instead goes to pay interest to the Federal Reserve. None of it is used for discretionary spending. It's not some big coincidence that the Income tax was created the same year as the Federal Reserve (1913). When our government granted some private banks (Federal Reserve Act) the right to print money and charge interest to loan it back to the government, they needed a way to pay for that interest, and thus they created the personal income tax. If we were to eliminate the private Federal Reserve and actually have our government manage the printing of money as every other country does, and as our own country did prior to 1913, then the income tax could be eliminated entirely without affecting government spending one bit. Your high taxes don't come from socialist programs. They come from Wall Street's influence on Washington starting about 95 years ago, and continuing until today.

Sounds like a fairytale....but for now taxpayers will pay for federal programs. I think most people would prefer a more socialist government. This way they could put less effort into how they will manage their life and let the government handle it for them instead. Capitalism is what makes this country great...people at the bottom with little/no money think otherwise. As a twist on what you define as a socialist government;there will be an "Obama" style where the people still pay taxes, not the "traditional" one you mentioned.

I just brought that up because some people seem to have the illusion that the income tax is some kind of wealth redistribution from the rich and middle class that trickles down to poor people. Just the opposite, the personal income tax collected by the government goes to the private Federal Reserve banks as interest for money they printed and loaned to the government.

It is indeed wealth redistribution. The wealth is being redistributed from the people to the large banks. That is the way American capitalism works.

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Originally Posted by GmX5

As a twist on what you define as a socialist government;there will be an "Obama" style where the people still pay taxes, not the "traditional" one you mentioned.

Yes, there will be some kind of quasi-welfare state that some people confuse for socialism. Don't be fooled. It is certainly NOT socialism. The whole "tax and spend" philosophy has absolutely nothing to do with socialist economics.

Well, universal health care system sounds more like a socialism to me...:dunno:

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Originally Posted by autoque

Well, universal health care system sounds more like a socialism to me...:dunno:

Nah...Obama's "universal health care" system is a private for-profit system paid for with government subsidies. As such, it is incredibly expensive, and does nothing to increase the quality of care offered, except to offer the mediocre care that is currently available to all people at the taxpayer expense. Probably better than our current system, but not by much.

Socialized medicine is where there are no private companies involved in health care. Doctors, hospitals, and drug R&D organizations are all funded by the government. Doctors, health care employees, and researchers are all paid extermely well, but the overall cost is reduced by cutting out the stockholder and insurance company profits that exist in the current private system. Also, instead of the primary goal being to turn a profit, the goal is to provide the best care possible, so the quality of care increases. Doctors are no longer hamstrung by the limitations of an insurance policy, the profits being made from certain drugs, or the fear of a malpractice suit.

May i suggest that instead of running ahead of the program
that you get on board make room for a listening ear and see
what you can do to help rather than hinder.

I haven't a clue what Mr. Obama means by universal health care system.
and i would be willing to bet that the programs has not been defined as of yet.
So making a conclusion about the program at this point is pre-mature.

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Originally Posted by autoque

Well, universal health care system sounds more like a socialism to me...:dunno:

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Depending on your definition of Socialism you could argue that the first Socialist government was actually the UK in 1924. When Ramsay MacDonald's labour party was elected to power. However that and his second government in 1929-31 were both minority governments. their first overall majority was in 1945, and led to the introduction of the National Health Service.

:iagree: 1000%

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Some people only approve of democracy when the people vote the way they like.

I "hope", :rofl:, that Obama has very good handlers. He road into power on the same style of fame that O'Malley did in becoming governor of Maryland. O'Malley was a no-body mayor and the Baltimore Sun paper decided he was their candidate. He promised all these answers to "Republican" problems. He came in with a solid budget and lessening violence in the state. He won overwhelmingly mainly because local press refused to write a bad story about him. He promised huge tax help to the poor, would limit energy costs, etc.. What has he done? He was ranked number 50 out of 50 by the CATO institute as a Governor. He unleashed the worst tax package increase in a decade and now has a sub-10% approval rating. After finally months of still preaching for him the Baltimore Sun finally wrote a "bad" article about him.

Just "hope" Obama doesn't turn out that way. And what you should be asking yourself is how is the USA going to handle a single party government now that the house/senate/white house (2 out of 3 branches of government) are controlled by entirely democrats?

Wag;

There's been a lot of discussion about how is the USA going to handle a single party government now that the house/senate/white house (2 out of 3 branches of government) are controlled by entirely democrats.

Sometime i believe people spend too much time trying to figure
out what's going to happen. Take a breath, relax, and give the process a chance. The first step in my mind would be injecting a positive
rather than a negative perspective regarding the future.

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver

That would be wonderful, however this has played out before in my state. I'd love to put on rose-colored glasses.

What do you think will come of this??